Meracydia/Miqo'te/Azys La speculations (spoilers)

I am not sure that's Eorzea on the globe, I mean its hydaelyn but the Earth equivalent looks more like Asia and Australia

Hmmm, pretty sure Ilsabard is north, pretending to be Europe, while Othard is east, pretending to be Asia. Sharlayan is likely in a Great Britain sort of position off the coast of Ilsabard, with the Isle of Val as a smaller satellite island.

Maybe this is obvious or been talked about already. But the Cathedral is has different architecture than the aqueducts. The walkways are completely different and the only symbol that links it to Quarn is the Azeyma symbol. Other than that it is actually quite different (round??? there is nothing round in Quarn).

Now has anyone mentioned the destruction of the cathedral? There is a large green arrow type thing piercing the dome. There are others of these throughout Azys Lla and they seem to connect to the chains connecting to the mothership like anchors. Why would they put an anchor through a religious place if they worshiped that diety?

This hints that the flagship or these islands may be separate in make. Meaning the flagship is Allagan and the islands are different things they conquered/built and brought together or something else entirely has brought these allagan pieces together for their own purpose.

A friend of mine even suggested these islands may be required magics collected throughout the world to seal the triad.

Yeah, it's most likely these "islands were ripped from the surface and are being held held by those "anchors" which are using the power of the Flagship to keep them floating

As for the destruction of The Cathedral; we found out that Late Allagan Empire (Clone Xande's time and roughly the time of Azys lla's sealing) stopped worshipping gods, atleast most of them. So it's destruction is probably showing their triumph and warning.

It would not surprise me if Clone Xande made worshipping gods illegal and proclaimed himself god-king.

Azys lla seems like it was a tourist attraction or at the very least allowed civilians to enter. Just like we can visit the white house and other gov't facilites perhaps the Allagans did the same?

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Originally Posted by myahele

I agree, I also think that Regula will try to infuse himself with Aether which will then drive him insane. Regula is VERY ruthless, razing an entire city-state just to prove a point, very Kefka-like. It seems like Regula REALLY doesn't want to fail the Emperor, too bad he did and I can only imagine him feeling terrible at the events that took place and will do everything he can to win back Solus' favor

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Solus is dead, brah.
Varis runs the show now.

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Originally Posted by myahele

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Something that's potentially of note is that, at the base of the spear in the Cathedral, you can see a link of a chain. That presumably goes through the island to the Flaghship tether.

Some parts of Azys Lla were definitely intended to be tourist attractions, showing the Empire's pride in itself(which is consistent with Crystal Tower's construction). The daughter of Midgardsormr, broken and chained, the Fractal Continuum, a museum, the Cathedral, and the Triad.

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Originally Posted by Lyndis

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the cobblestone found in the Archeduct and in the cathedral are prettty much the same,(even the colour, showing it is pretty much eroded the same way, most likely the same era) so is the walkway next to the cathedral, what is mostly similiar in the three locations, the Archeduct , the Cathedral and Qarn is the pattern that can be seen in the pictures.

actually, the 2 types of pattern in the archeduct are in Qarn, while, atleast , from what i can remember, the letter type/glyph pattern can be seen in the Cathedral, not only the azeyma simbols. (go to the roof for example)

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Originally Posted by Lyndis

But the Cathedral is has different architecture than the aqueducts. The walkways are completely different and the only symbol that links it to Quarn is the Azeyma symbol. Other than that it is actually quite different (round??? there is nothing round in Quarn).

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Originally Posted by -Krypyonite-

actually, the 2 types of pattern in the archeduct are in Qarn, while, atleast , from what i can remember, the letter type/glyph pattern can be seen in the Cathedral, not only the azeyma simbols. (go to the roof for example)

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Kryptyonite's on the right track. What connects the Cathedral to Qarn isn't just the Azeyma symbol; if you look closely at the bricks (the circles above the doors, as well as the lines pillars going upwards towards the dome) you can see the same symbols as on the pathways at the Aqueduct and lining all of Qarn.

We don't know if they are Allagan, miqo'te, proto allagan. If they are Allagan they are from the theological era, wich means, third astral. We can't be 100% sure of who built them (i would bet on Allag but can't totally discard miqo'te). What we can be sure is that the same civilization built the 3 difrent locations AND that , that civilization worshiped Azeyma.

But if it wasn't for Anonymoose i would never notice Qarn could be a link, nor that Qarn was probably allagan.

So based on all of this, we could surmise the early allagan empire devoted themselves to the sun goddess Azeyma. They built the temple of qarn, azys la (on the ground) among other structures of reoccurring importance in the story. Before xande's first death, the empire completed the crystal tower which would now power the empire.

Stagnation grew, probably a class deficit as well, causing unrest and non compliance with allagan citizens versus those in power. Amon brings Xande back to resurgence the fallen glory. The allagan empire is still filled with more casual citizens who may have patriotism, but not so much the drive for war as new Xande does as the old xande did.

Xande loses his sh1t on the population who still hold bitterness towards his cause for global domination. As an example of these azeyma believers, he tosses parts of their religious capital up in the air as an example to be made of and desecrated qarn (?).

His daughter, who is more on the people\\'s side, feign desperately for means to stop him and finds an answer within a shadowy figure from between the void. He supplies her with the information and resources to overload a energy transference from dalamud to the tower and straight wrecks the environment, the empire, and the era.

So I'm not sure if there's time line issues or other story canon not lining up with that story I just posted, but I do have a few questions.

Are these temples and azys laminated with the sun goddess motif as a display for religious purpose? And when was azys la founded? Could it be that the religious significance of these areas underlie a plethora of crystals which new xande needed to obtain the power of darkness? With all this aether being drained from the world and stored within the tower, how did the environment fare under this unbalanced system? A mighty earthquake really decimated floating cities? What if the earthquake tossed azys la in the sky? That last one seems less believable due to the anchors underneath, unless those were premeditated.

Velruis on the /r/ffxiv subreddit posted this, seems to confirm the Meracydia-Miqo'te connection
https://i.imgur.com/auytnNp.png

Reminder: Xande was only one ruler of the Allagan Empire. They supposedly were around a long time, so it's quite possible that the Allagans were ruled by more than just Xande. Remember, Xande is referred to in the Crystal Tower story as the greatest ruler of Allag, so it's likely that Xande was just a very well liked and prosperous king.

Still, considering that the Crystal Tower is directly connected to Dalamud which is directly connected to Bahamut, it's likely that Azys Lla was created shortly before Amon cloned Xande or shortly after the Xande Clone took power. That is, assuming that Bahamut's resurrection and imprisonment in Dalamud coincide with the building of the Crystal Tower. It's possible that the Allagans put him in Dalamud long before and decided later to build the Crystal Tower to harness his power.

Either way, it's highly unlikely that Azys Lla was created when the original Xande was alive.

It does seem likely that azis lla was made to research how to contain bahamut. As there are rooms containing dragons in tubes, as well as a island full of fresh meracydian dragons, (likely a penal colony back in the day that broke down.) So it is at least tied to the eventually creation of dalamud. Harvesting primal power may have been a separate project born out of azis lla's research. What im getting at is it may be connected to the crystal tower, but what's its connection to cloning Xande?

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Originally Posted by Chewy2nd

Velruis on the /r/ffxiv subreddit posted this, seems to confirm the Meracydia-Miqo'te connection
https://i.imgur.com/auytnNp.png

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That would be me, actually! I was sleeping when -Kryptonite- posted in my reddit thread I had to put it in there myself.
But, thanks for doing that while I was practically laying knocked out!

Also, interesting to note; The Sesame seeds are harvested in Sea of Clouds, which happens to be the last area before you can go to Azys La.

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Originally Posted by verislie

So based on all of this, we could surmise the early allagan empire devoted themselves to the sun goddess Azeyma. They built the temple of qarn, azys la (on the ground) among other structures of reoccurring importance in the story. Before xande's first death, the empire completed the crystal tower which would now power the empire.

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Source? I see this mentioned a lot, but can find it in neither the quest dialogue nor the NOAH reports, at least in English. The empire thrived for a thousand years between the reigns of Xande, and some unspecified event, some unspecified amount of time after the completion of Syrcus Tower, initiated its rapid decline in a matter of generations. But from what start date?

My current hunch is that it was simply how they used the Tower. The generation that completes it thinks they've done something great for their kids, and in turn tell their kids it's the source of prosperity for the whole of the empire. Those children then raised children who never knew what life was like without a wellspring of limitless energy providing for their every want, and once the generation that remembered life before it finally passed, there were none in the empire who could imagine life without it. Desire and ambition are successfully eliminated from the human race, at least in the Allagan Empire, but it's not the perfect world they hoped to build, as those same forces were what held the empire together. So they revive the man who started it all.

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Originally Posted by verislie

His daughter, who is more on the people\\'s side, feign desperately for means to stop him and finds an answer within a shadowy figure from between the void. He supplies her with the information and resources to overload a energy transference from dalamud to the tower and straight wrecks the environment, the empire, and the era.

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We actually don't have enough info to determine which faction, if any, the Princess belonged to. From what we know she could just as easily be a Xande loyalist. However, if she whose memories live on in G'raha consorted with Ascians, you'd think he'd have thought that was worth mentioning. If that does prove to be the case, and he didn't tell us for whatever self-absorbed reason, I'm taking a knife and carving the flesh off the shoulder where he dares to wear the mark of the Scions. It's probably not the case, though we do know the Ascians were at least involved on the Meracydian side of things.

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Originally Posted by verislie

So I'm not sure if there's time line issues or other story canon not lining up with that story I just posted, but I do have a few questions.

Are these temples and azys laminated with the sun goddess motif as a display for religious purpose? And when was azys la founded? Could it be that the religious significance of these areas underlie a plethora of crystals which new xande needed to obtain the power of darkness? With all this aether being drained from the world and stored within the tower, how did the environment fare under this unbalanced system? A mighty earthquake really decimated floating cities? What if the earthquake tossed azys la in the sky? That last one seems less believable due to the anchors underneath, unless those were premeditated.

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Canon issues with the Crystal Tower storyline? Nonsense!

The founding date of Azys Lla is unknown, but Tiamat's presence indicates that it was at the very least in use during the second reign of Xande. Some of the facilities seem to have been re-purposed form elsewhere in the empire, but when is tricky, not to mention the biggest question of them all: if Xande had access to the "infinite" energy of the Warring Triad, why in all the Hells didn't he try to use them instead of the only "near-infinte" Syrcus Tower?

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Originally Posted by Eisen-Zorn

Still, considering that the Crystal Tower is directly connected to Dalamud which is directly connected to Bahamut, it's likely that Azys Lla was created shortly before Amon cloned Xande or shortly after the Xande Clone took power.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

What im getting at is it may be connected to the crystal tower

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This is digging into FF3 a bit more, but the tower that Desch sacrificed himself (temporarily) to preserve in that game was the primary control unit for FF3's Floating Continent. We already have a "Desch," that is to say, the "last of the Ancients" who sacrificed himself to preserve a certain tower, and they really wanted to be sure FF3 vets made the Desch connection to that character before he left, so...

Unlike the Binding Coil, we still have yet to see the CT lore referenced at all outside of its own storyline, but the possibility of a tangible storyline connection between the Tower and Azys Lla is not zero.

I'm guessing this is the possible timeline:

- Allagan Empire rises to almost absolute power.
- Xande Dies.
- Eikon's wage war on Allagan Empire.
- Allagan Empire expends ridiculous amounts of resources combating the Eikon and Primal threat.
- Allagans create Ultima and Omega to battle the Primal and Eikon threat.
- Allagans managed to subdue the Eikons.
- Allagans create Azys Lla and begin attempting to harness the power of the Warring Triad.
- The Crystal Tower is created as a focal point to harness the power of the Warring Triad.
- Something, possibly Tiamat and Bahamut, cause an incident at Azys Lla.
- Bahamut is defeated, but Tiamat is imprisoned in Azys Lla.
- The Ascians convince Tiamat to resummon Bahamut.
- Bahamut rages against The Allagan Empire.
- The Allagans mange to subdue, but not defeat, Bahamut. He is contained within the Allagan creation Dalamud.

- This is where the timeline gets confusing. For whatever reason, perhaps Bahamut or something with The Warring Triad, The Allagans completely abandoned Azys Lla. I say abandoned because the facility appears to have been left running and just simply locked away never to be found. Perhaps it was restarted when Thordan arrived, but even the Guidance Nodes address you as if you're just a visitor to the facility. It's as if The Allagans just left it one day and never went back. Whatever the reason, it seems to coincide with Tiamat's resummoning of Bahamut.

- Dalamud is created and The Crystal Tower is now being used to focus the power of Bahamut.
- Amon, not satisfied with the state of The Allagan Empire, clones Xande and his family to rule Allag again.
- The power of Dalamud is not sufficient to reclaim The Allagan Empire's glory days.
- Xande becomes reclusive and seeks greater power from The Void.
- Xande makes a pact with The Cloud of Darkness.
- Xande's daughter manages to thwart this attempt and The Cloud of Darkness is prohibited from entering Eorzea.
- While The Cloud of Darkness is stopped, Xande's daughter inadvertently causes the Crystal Tower to overload and essentially buries The Crystal Tower and the rest of Allag in the region.
- The Allagan Empire is reduced to almost nothing and eventually fades away leaving only its history.

It's not clear why Azys Lla was abandoned, but a lot of it seems to be rooted in when The Ascians appeared to begin interfering in the affairs of The Allagan Empire. We don't really know what The Allagan Empire was really doing with The Warring Triad aside from wanting a perpetual power source. It's possible that whatever they did there got the attention of The Ascians, and after the whole Bahamut incident they locked it away. In fact, now that I think about it, it makes sense that The Allagans would go through a lot of trouble of sealing away Azys Lla to keep The Ascians away from it. The Ascians can teleport pretty much anywhere, but Lahabrea needed the key to Azys Lla to get inside.

So, I'm guessing that The Allagans played with too much power, The Ascians showed up and started wrecking everything, The Allagans started spending all of their time trying to keep The Ascians out of their affairs, and then The Ascians finally shut it all down by convincing Xande's daughter to overload the Crystal Tower.

TL;DR: It's The Ascians fault.

Omega, iirc, was made to deal with bahamut specifically. Unless there was a correction on this.

There presence of a protoype ultima(proto-ultima) suggests that the ultima weapon was either mass produced or the develoment branched into multiple antiprimal units to handle primals and eikons, the magitek we know today may be based on the lesser designs.

Did the allagan's use of autonomous military weapons start here? Maybe that was their answer to primal "tempering".

So I just recently did Qarn, and stayed behind to explore a bit and maybe see some things.
I took a screenshot of one of the pedals where you have to kill a facer on, and well... I went to Azys Lla to check the structures out myself.
Now this might be a bit of a stretch but, I observed the flooring of the Cathedral. And they, for me, do seem to have a bit of a similarity.
http://i.imgur.com/bIZ4Zjr.png
http://i.imgur.com/E1OgJ2y.png

As I said, this might be a bit of a stretch. I can't say those two are actually related.
Here is the album of what I could screen before I got kicked out of the dungeon because it ended; http://imgur.com/a/7PSu0#12

yup, and the type of bad has similiarties with the ones found in places like fractal and so.

Don't forget to check out the ruins in Mor Dhona as well, similar structures there (though fused over in crystallized aether may make them harder to get good comparison shots).

Has anyone checked the Allagan ruins in the Sagolli Desert to see if they're similar to these other things?

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Has anyone checked the Allagan ruins in the Sagolli Desert to see if they're similar to these other things?

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Yes, the ruins of Sagolli, the ruins of Carteneau Flats, the ruins found in east and west Thanalan, the ruins of Mor Dhona...Every structure we know of as Belah'dian and all the stonework of Azys Lla, it's all ancient Allagan. Proof can be found near the beginning of this thread.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Yes, the ruins of Sagolli, the ruins of Carteneau Flats, the ruins found in east and west Thanalan, the ruins of Mor Dhona...Every structure we know of as Belah'dian and all the stonework of Azys Lla, it's all ancient Allagan. Proof can be found near the beginning of this thread.

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We knew those ruins in the Sagolli were Allagan, a nearby NPC says they're Allagan, and they have that giant drill digging for more (future dungeon?).

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

We knew those ruins in the Sagolli were Allagan, a nearby NPC says they're Allagan, and they have that giant drill digging for more (future dungeon?).

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Haha! When reading your last post originally, I must've completely skipped "Allagan" and just read ruins. My mistake!

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Haha! When reading your last post originally, I must've completely skipped "Allagan" and just read ruins. My mistake!

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No problem! We all get excited when chatting about lore!

Looks like it's time to double back on my work and re-categorize the similarities not-necessarily-correlative (or at least less directly correlative)

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

[T]hose similarities are a result of the Mhachi influence on Belah’dian, and then from there Sil’dihn and Ul’dahn styles. <...> I chimed in here about speculation on the NA Lore forums about similarities in the designs used in Azys Lla architecture and the Sunken Temple of Qarn, and if the Allagans actually created the temple. Oda-san denied this.

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Back to the drawing board! ><

My first thought was that one of the areas in-game coincidentally used the familiar design and caused us to connect one step further than we were meant to. On one hand, those are some pretty big repercussions, so I'm not sure it was a mere accident. Moreover, I'm just not sure which one would be the "mistake." If the Qarn designs are Mhachi, we can assume they just built over Allagan ruins in Cartenau and that's why they're together post-Dalamud. But that doesn't explain their appearance in Azys Lla at all...

Unlessssss the reason Mhach has been held back while Nym and Amdapor got fleshed out is that Mhach, like we're doing now, resurrected lost aesthetics (and technology?...), or perhaps that their civilization has older roots to begin with...

<looks at some speculation in this thread, then at the Void Ark>

Hm....

Gonna need to ponder this one for a bit. At least we know the boundaries and are thus pretty limited in the number of interpretations.

Given their relation to the Void, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest, given their study of the Void, if the Mhachi were the "inheritors" of the Allagan legacy, in the same way Garlemald could be said to be in the current era... While Garlemald replicates (poorly, according to one Nodes quest) Allagan weaponry, perhaps the Mhachi simply replicated their architecture.

We've also been told that the center of the Mhachi civilization was at Yafaem Saltmoor, northwest of Mor Dhona, and if they also build Qarn... That's all of Mor Dhona and all of Thanalan under their belt (I wonder if parts of Coerthas could have been theirs as well... Our favorite Darkhold, for example...) and there was a fairly big Void Gate hidden under Mor Dhona... There's certainly a lot of room for them to pick up from ruined Allag...

Specifically, here's something to ponder; The teleporters in Crystal Tower. Where do you think they originated?

Where they Void constructs, given they're present in the Void/World of Darkness, that the Allagan took, studied, and then replicated in the Tower? Or where they Allagan constructs, that the Allag imported into the Void/World of Darkness?

Either answer can draw the same conclusion though; The Void held inspiration for designs for the Mhachi. Whether the Allag took designs from the Void in their study as well, or the Allag put structures in the Void, doesn't really matter. When the Mhachi come later, and start messing around with the Void, they find such structures and their Void-centric culture is built around similar designs.

It could be a Enlightenment vs Classical Rome & Greece thing, where the Mhachi modelled their architecture and magic off of Allagan Ruins out of admiration but there's no direct link beyond that.

It's quite loose right now, but the best theory I can conjure is that, much like the Garlean empire has done in our age, Allag invaded Eorzea early into the Third Astral Era, conquering/destroying/conscripting much of Mhach (the largest nation of this time, spanning from nigh all of Thanalan and into Mor Dhona).

Their motives for this, however, are unclear to me. Reason for this being that there are glaring problems with the obvious "They wanted Silvertear" explanation. Those problems being that Midgardsormr would've acted in defense of the lake, and Syrcus Tower would never have been built. ...Unless the Allagans sealed him as well...or the 'rebirth' that we witnessed in Keeper of the Lake wasn't his first.

I thought the ruins of Qarn where from sixth Astral Era. Still its interesting. It begs the question how the Amdipori and the Nymians held them off if they had the tech to create Airships on top of extremely destructive magic. Nymian and Amdipori ruins are impressive but not really on the same scale.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I thought the ruins of Qarn where from sixth Astral Era. Still its interesting.

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The Belah'dian civilization, which occupied the Sunken Temple of Qarn, was of the Sixth Astral Era, yes. And Belah'dians were composed of Mhachi survivors from the 6th Umbral Era Calamity.

This means that Mhachi people and culture had to have survived Allagan rule.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

It begs the question how the Amdipori and the Nymians held them off if they had the tech to create Airships on top of extremely destructive magic. Nymian and Amdipori ruins are impressive but not really on the same scale.

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What's saying Mhach had airships?

Sorry, I was refering to the Void Ark. It seems strangely technologically advanced for what we know of the nations during the 5th Astral Era. Magic seemed more the focus.

My understanding of the lore was that the Mhachi, as the Black Magic nation, discovered Black Magic in the wake of the 5th Umbral Era as a means to survive. It was Shantotto who established Black Magic. Strictly speaking there is a entire Astral Era we know almost nothing about between the fall of the Allag and what we know of the birth of current Black Magic and the rise of the three nations that would become Nym, Mhachi and Amdapor. We don't even have an inkling on what triggered the 5th calamity as far as I'm aware.

That's not to say the Mhachi didn't discover Allag knowledge in their own pursuit for power. Im just not sure how the Allag could have invaded the Mhachi when they didn't rise as a nation for probably thousands of years after the Allag collapsed. I could see the Mhachi's ancestors having some such heritage but how much of that would have remained cohesive hundreds of years of being a conquered culture and two calamities seems hard to say.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Sorry, I was refering to the Void Ark.

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So, I'm going to go ahead and say this, and I will happily eat my hat if eventually proven wrong, but the Void Ark is not Mhachi.
Claification: The Ark is of the Void itself, and seems to me like a living ship. How it got here is anyone's guess, however.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

My understanding of the lore was that the Mhachi, as the Black Magic nation, discovered Black Magic in the wake of the 5th Umbral Era as a means to survive. It was Shantotto who established Black Magic.

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Lost magicks were rediscovered during the Age of Endless Frost, yes.




My stance on the issue remains; that the development team intentionally placed those ruins there. They replicated exactly what we see in The Sunken Temple Qarn on Azys Lla, and presented it as older than Azys Lla, lol.

My reasoning for theorizing that Allag conquered Mhach? Allagan Sun Temple. It's clearly Mhachi architecture, but titled as Allagan.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Sorry, I was refering to the Void Ark. It seems strangely technologically advanced for what we know of the nations during the 5th Astral Era. Magic seemed more the focus.

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Nym had a floating city, would it really be so odd for the Mhachi, who by all accounts seem to have been winning the War of the Magi, to have a floating Ark? Who's to say it is even technological in nature, like modern Airships. A lot of powerful magic was flying around at the time, a powerful and persistent Float spell would be the least of my expectations...

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

My reasoning for theorizing that Allag conquered Mhach? Allagan Sun Temple. It's clearly Mhachi architecture, but titled as Allagan.

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Wait, I'm confused... How would Allag conquer Mhach? Didn't the Mhach come after the Allagan Empire fell? Mhach/Amdapor/Nym and the War of the Magi were Fifth Astra Era, as far as I remember, while the Allag were around during the Third or Forth?

Unless I've got that completely wrong, I find it more likely that Mhach just copied Allagan architecture, the same way Garlemald copies Allagan munitions.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

It's quite loose right now, but the best theory I can conjure is that, much like the Garlean empire has done in our age, Allag invaded Eorzea early into the Third Astral Era, conquering/destroying/conscripting much of Mhachi (the largest nation of this time, spanning from nigh all of Thanalan and into Mor Dhona).

Their motives for this, however, are unclear to me. Reason for this being that there are glaring problems with the obvious "They wanted Silvertear" explanation. Those problems being that Midgardsormr would've acted in defense of the lake, and Syrcus Tower would never have been built. ...Unless the Allagans sealed him as well...or the 'rebirth' that we witnessed in Keeper of the Lake wasn't his first.

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I know that the Allagan Empire covered most of Hydaelyn, but maybe they started in Eorzea? As far as I can recall, I don't remember anyone mentioning where the Allagan Empire originated from.

I just know that, as far as Meracydia is concerned, that the Allagan Empire came from Eorzea to Meracydia and that's where the whole mess with Bahamut and Tiamat started.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I find it more likely that Mhach just copied Allagan architecture, the same way Garlemald copies Allagan munitions.

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This is certainly a possibility. But why? If all of Allag's technology was contained in Azys Lla, what made the Allagans so great in the eyes of Mhach that they needed 'become' the next Allag?

The only way this makes sense is if the Mhachi people found the Allagan ruins of Carteneau and were so super impressed with what they found there, they copied the architectural design, adopted Azeyma as their patron deity, and decided to force their use throughout the entire nation of Mhach.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

This is certainly a possibility. But why? If all of Allag's technology was contained in Azys Lla, what made the Allag so great in the eyes of Mhach that they needed 'become' the next Allagans?

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That's not the case though. Allagan relics are all over the place, case and point; Garlemald. While we don't know exactly what fueled their discovery of Magitek, we can be almost certain it was the discovery of something Allagan, since most of the Garleans technology is a shoddy knock-off of Allagan technology; There is even a quest in Azys Lla where a Node comments on this. The Garleans found Allagan technology, were impressed with it, and started replicating it.

The finally thing the Allag even did, was start researching the Void. Mostly to fulfill Xandes nihilistic ambitions and unleash the Cloud of Darkness, but they were also creating synthetic Voidset and figuring out how to use them for warfare. For the Mhachi, a nation of Void Mages, don't you think that would be impressive? Inspiring even. Heck, it must have been. We know of two acts the Mhachi did during the War of the Magi, both of them involved unleashing Voidsent. They directly continued what the Allag started; Using Voidsent as weapons.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

That's not the case though. Allagan relics are all over the place, case and point; Garlemald. While we don't know exactly what fueled their discovery of Magitek, we can be almost certain it was the discovery of something Allagan, since most of the Garleans technology is a shoddy knock-off of Allagan technology; There is even a quest in Azys Lla where a Node comments on this. The Garleans found Allagan technology, were impressed with it, and started replicating it.

The finally thing the Allag even did, was start researching the Void. Mostly to fulfill Xandes nihilistic ambitions and unleash the Cloud of Darkness, but they were also creating synthetic Voidset and figuring out how to use them for warfare. For the Mhachi, a nation of Void Mages, don't you think that would be impressive? Inspiring even. Heck, it must have been. We know of two acts the Mhachi did during the War of the Magi, both of them involved unleashing Voidsent. They directly continued what the Allag started; Using Voidsent as weapons.

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All of the Garlean's technology Magitek appears to be based off of what they found at Ala Mhigo. While the Garleans did attack Eorzea initially with highly sophisticated technology, the first record of Magitek weapons appear at the Battle of Cartenaeu.

The Battle of Cartenaeu happened five years prior to ARR.

Ala Mhigo was taken twenty years prior to ARR.

I'm guessing that the Garleans had already been reverse engineering Allagan technology, but the capture of Ala Mhigo gave them the massive leap in technology that they needed to create Magitek.