White mage remain gimp because the can go scholar on real content?

To use a recent example, last night a small comedy of errors dring the T12 add phase had our WHM on the floor around the 11th stack of Flames.

Turns out that it's fairly impossible to counter this mechanic as a solo SCH once your stacks get that high. If pushing only 3 Bennus, I could see it with appropriate use of CDs, but my group's total DPS isn't yet high enough for this.

Now, if I had died instead of the WHM, it might have been possible to complete the phase.

Nope, not unless you stack enough hp or stoneskins. After 13th or 14th hit people should start dropping without shielding or dmg reduction. Seeing how you werent meeting dps im guessing people arent top geared. Ive not had healing issues as schilar tho at 13 or 14 stacks without whm aoe heals... You can mitigate the 13th and 14th with a sacred soil, succor and fey making it do not that much. But honestly, ive never attempted solo healing the whole fight as anything, but ive had my whm buddies die at times.

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Originally Posted by SooChe

Lol. I hope you get all scholars from today onwards. May no whm join your party.

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Once astrology comes out and seeing almost no white mages will be the norm.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

To use a recent example, last night a small comedy of errors dring the T12 add phase had our WHM on the floor around the 11th stack of Flames.

Turns out that it's fairly impossible to counter this mechanic as a solo SCH once your stacks get that high. If pushing only 3 Bennus, I could see it with appropriate use of CDs, but my group's total DPS isn't yet high enough for this.

Now, if I had died instead of the WHM, it might have been possible to complete the phase.

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Funny, the opposite happened to my group last night during our T12 farm just as P2 started. I actually D/C'd on SCH and when I got back online, found out our WHM had solo healed the remainder of the fight to victory. Couldn't be prouder of the man. xD

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Once astrology comes out and seeing almost no white mages will be the norm.

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Can I call you AkizaM? You certainly remind me of a male SCH version of Akiza.

Also; please show me the patch notes that you secretly have that incorpoate the WHM changes, the SCH changes, the AST toolkit, and how the Alex fights are going to be designed so we can understand how you came up with that judgement.

Still waiting~~~

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Originally Posted by Slib

Nope, not unless you stack enough hp or stoneskins. After 13th or 14th hit people should start dropping without shielding or dmg reduction. Seeing how you werent meeting dps im guessing people arent top geared. Ive not had healing issues as schilar tho at 13 or 14 stacks without whm aoe heals... You can mitigate the 13th and 14th with a sacred soil, succor and fey making it do not that much. But honestly, ive never attempted solo healing the whole fight as anything, but ive had my whm buddies die at times.

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Yeah, the biggest problem was the timing; a DPS had died as well, and I had blown Soil and Covenant early to help keep them from dying again before I could get them safely Adlo'd and SSed. Stacks shouldn't have gotten that high, but there were DPS issues, clearly.

The sad thing is that most of my team does have close to BiS, but performance is an issue.

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Originally Posted by Slib

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I am just curious... Flame pulses @ about 15 second interval. From 9 stacks to 12 stacks = 1 minute. Starting at 9 stacks, does about 3k damage and keeps increasing to about 4k@12 stacks, about 13k in that 1 min. Sacred soil has 30 sec CD and only last 15 sec. Therefore, one SS can only be used to mitigate one flame and can only be used twice in 1 min. Fey illumination has 2 min CD. Rouse and Whispering Down has 1 min CD. They can only be used once from 9 to 12 stacks. Whispering down last 20 seconds and heals about 3.3k hp with rouse and 4.3k hp with fey illumination and rouse for a ilv 128 SCH. Succor about 550 hp w/o buff, 675 hp w/ fey. And.. tanks are still getting some little pecking from bennus.

Something isn't adding up. Yare needs a skilled SCH to enlighten her and check her numbers. Please feel free to correct me. After all, SCH isn't my main.

BTW. the numbers of flame damages are estimated from the hp difference of a galvanized sch before and immediately after flame.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Once astrology comes out and seeing almost no white mages will be the norm.

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Oh wow you must be an Astrologian right now to see into the future. Much wows. Back on track, you still havent actually answered any of these yet:

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

And now, you really need to address some of the spurious claims you have made and ignored the replies to:

Please show how the SCH heals for the same amount as WHM does in raids, making WHM redundant

Please show how the SCH out DPS' the WHM in all content

Please show how significantly more people play SCH over WHM in "relevant" content.


Can you please offer some relevant data/experience to these claims, in stead of all this doomsaying?

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Also, gearing is really not an issue for healers. We have the biggest room to manoeuvre in terms of secondary stats. Where as crit does interact very well with adlo, you can get by on any of the healing classes with a mix of piety, det, crit and spellspeed. Good healers will use what they can currently get their hands on, bad healer will blame their inability to heal correctly on their gear/secondary stats, really bad healers will ignore how powerful both healing classes are, terrible healers will ignore completely the synergy between scholar and white mage in raids.

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Originally Posted by Yare

I am just curious... Flame pulses @ about 15 second interval. From 9 stacks to 12 stacks = 1 minute. Starting at 9 stacks, does about 3k damage and keeps increasing to about 4k@12 stacks, about 13k in that 1 min. Sacred soil has 30 sec CD and only last 15 sec. Therefore, one SS can only be used to mitigate one flame and can only be used twice in 1 min. Fey illumination has 2 min CD. Rouse and Whispering Down has 1 min CD. They can only be used once from 9 to 12 stacks. Whispering down last 20 seconds and heals about 3.3k hp with rouse and 4.3k hp with fey illumination and rouse for a ilv 128 SCH. Succor about 550 hp w/o buff, 675 hp w/ fey. And.. tanks are still getting some little pecking from bennus.

Something isn't adding up. Yare needs a skilled SCH to enlighten her and check her numbers. Please feel free to correct me. After all, SCH isn't my main.

BTW. the numbers of flame damages are estimated from the hp difference of a galvanized sch before and immediately after flame.

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With the amount of stacks you are talking about in t12, its pretty much near-impossible for the SCH to solo heal this. However, it is possible for a SCH to solo heal t12 (and whm as well, on equal footing). Using 5 dps pushes the bennus so you never really see so many stacks on phoenix during bennu phase. Also the use of mantra at key times also helps it seems. There is a video up on youtube showing a sch solo healing t12 (and whm solo healing t13........).

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Originally Posted by Vlady

The reason healers go for scholar more then white mage is because of the power curve. Can provide much needed dps while providing constant healing with more forgiving abilities like Lustrate. Lustrate blows anything the white healer can bring to the table right now when white mages should be the strong healer. Scholar cannot take it all.

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The only thing Lustrate brings is it's instant cast time. It barely heals for more than Cure II on tanks and for way less on other jobs. Honestly with a good WHM as your co healer you'll often find yourself using your stacks on Energy Drain just to get rid of them and do a bit more dps.