Kicked from raid team due to colorblind

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

IMO you are a bad person to me for using your "colorblindness" to make everyone sympathise with you (including me) and then just turning out to be a regular deuche. GJ.

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Actually the last thing we did as a team was the tethers, then joke came after, nothing was said about joke, then I was kicked. You would assume this too since no one said shit about the joke and was only concentrated on tethers.

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

how does a misjudged joke equal I was kicked for being color blind

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Because people got kind of annoyed when I wiped, told them the issue, we stopped raiding, then I was kicked the next day. No other convo happened. See easy to understand it now?

Sounds like your raid leader should learn to communicate better.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Sounds like your raid leader should learn to communicate better.

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And not jump to conclusions based on assumptions.

See this what by being more accommodating, allowing for more compassion, empathy, and understanding would have helped avoid. Too often people are too quick to pull the trigger.

I never pulled a trigger. I played devils advocate to prove a point about all the assumptions in the thread automatically banking on the OP being right just because he had a disability. There's a difference. Also, none of those things you listed included communication. Communication was the problem. Not a lack of compassion, empathy, etc. So you were off base from the real problem they had. You can have the empathy, compassion, and understanding you want but it doesn't mean a thing if you don't talk. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

... Also, none of those things you listed included communication. Communication was the problem. Not a lack of compassion, empathy, etc. ....

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If people were more inclusive and not so quick to pull the trigger to exclude other, and had more compassion, and empathy, it would naturally follow that they would talk/communicate with the other person before resorting to the drastic decision to exclude people. Communication alone is not enough, because ISIS communicates to the rest of the world with their ghastly videos. And communications really only works when people try to understand each other and not look to "cut their heads off", literally or figuratively.

I don't think you understand how communication works in comparison to those other things. If words don't leave your mouth you never have a chance to be compassionate, show empathy, etc. Nor do you have time to cut someones head off either figuratively or literally since you didn't even speak. (This is an MMO context after all. We don't have body language) You're trying to jump to step B while skipping step A. We aren't mind readers. You have an unrealistic view of human interactions and communication. I recommend taking a sociology course. You have a lot to learn.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

SE has been relatively accommodating to people with disabilities such as colorblind and changing things like the tethers on Garuda - I'm sure if people brought up the issues the dev team will look into it.

I agree it should be changed, but throwing the "i'm going to quit the game" just because something doesn't work out for you is just low.

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Totally agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

...If words don't leave your mouth you never have a chance to be compassionate, show empathy, etc. Nor do you have time to cut someones head off either figuratively or literally since you didn't even speak. ....

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And cutting people off from their static before even discussing it, means there was no communication when that happened. And if people are predisposed to being exclusive and not taking the effort to be understanding, then it follows that they would not want to communicate. It is the attitude and predisposition of being more inclusive that should be default and not the other way around.

I'll be the firs to admit that I don't understand people, probably be because of undiagnosed asperger or something. But it does not matter, in a virtual world of an MMO, why can't we hope that people can transcend their baser instincts and play nice with each other and help each other and play together to everyone can have a good time? Why is this an unreasonable or unrealistic thing to ask for?

How out everyone stop playing armchair judge. A static kicked a member out. We dont know the circumstances, and both sides are just text on a website. We dont know who said what, when, what tone, or anything else. Just separate the issues.

Tethers are harder for visually impaired players. K. Great. Hopeully SE will read that. They have shown an active interest in catering to this demographic, I'm sure they will continue to and this can get added to the list. Till then, posters have pointed out non color based differences to try to help. Different shapes, debuff menu icons, etc. Case closed.

The rest of this nonsense is some personal issues with a static removing a member. Take that shit somewhere else.

I've raided with a couple colour-blind people before.
The way we handled colour sensitive stuff was that I, or someone else, would call out colours on voice chat when they need to be handled. (e.g. "Blue golem, west", "[Name], blue tether, go to B" ...etc.)

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

And cutting people off from their static before even discussing it, means there was no communication when that happened.

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That was indeed their problem.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

But it does not matter, in a virtual world of an MMO, why can't we hope that people can transcend their baser instincts and play nice with each other and help each other and play together to everyone can have a good time? Why is this an unreasonable or unrealistic thing to ask for?

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We can hope for a lot of things, and it's certainly not bad to have a dream where everyone gets alone and is completely reasonable to one another. However, at some point the realities of human interactions come into play and a large part of that is that we are incredibly complex creatures each coming from a different origin with different values and life lessons that shaped us into who we are right now. We can hope that people get over there basic instincts, and in many situations we should honestly expect it, but what you're asking for is a level of selflessness from everyone on a level that is honestly completely unrealistic and saintly. Both socially and probably genetically since hormones play a large part of this. You're practically asking for world peace level stuff here and if was so easy for everyone to just get along then we'd be well on our way by now, but the realities are that people disagree, have personal goals that conflict with others, and other such differences that lead to all kinds of daily conflicts. A perfect reconciliation between two parties isn't always possible. A middle ground isn't always available. Sometimes it's one or the other and someone pays the price for that conflict.

I think the difference between me and you isn't that I think your message is wrong or that the dream is bad. Quite honestly I think the world would be a better place that way. I think I just have a more realistic level of expectations and I've embraced the reality of human conflict a long time ago. It's not simply that I think you're wrong or that the ideal is bad. I just think that no matter how much you say it to someone it won't change anything. You aren't going to change the world over night by telling people on a forum to be compassionate. Did people like Lady Teresa go out and say it or did they go out and do it? People saw that example, talked about it, and in some cases tried to replicate it. You get more done by leading by example than by trying to beat them over the head with a Mantra. The best you can do is be the best human being you can and hope that other people take after your lead and pass that kindness on. Expecting people to change just because you said so is indeed rather unrealistic. When did that ever work as a child? Parents tell their kids not to do something and the child does it anyway. Learning by experience is always more effective.

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Originally Posted by Invision

Because people got kind of annoyed when I wiped, told them the issue, we stopped raiding, then I was kicked the next day. No other convo happened. See easy to understand it now?

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Well, mate, it's only been mentioned 50 times you can distinguish the tethers in other ways.

Why don't you link them this thread and clear up the matter? You'll be raiding again in no time, right?

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Is this whole thread a troll?..

While this thread is no longer about someone being removed from their team because of their colorblindness, I still wish to share.

My best friend and raid teams' Dragoon is colorblind in her left eye. She normally didn't have trouble with colored mechanics, her right eye compensated for that. When our team finally reached the tether mechanic in Turn 11 however, her handicap became apparent. She plays on PlayStation, so from a distance, they're just too small for her to differentiate. It was really frustrating for her, having to rely on help from myself and another, but through trial and error found the ways (listed earlier in this thread even) to distinguish the two. She no longer needs us to call it out for her, and it made her really happy to overcome her disadvantage.

To anyone who might be in a similar situation (a person's handicap hampering their performance) I strongly implore you to make accommodations for them. Unless the person wasn't very well liked (in which case they'd be removed more for that reason), it's very much worth the effort. Chances are good that they'll figure out how to deal with the mechanic on their own, or at the very least find ways to ease the burden.

I still <3 you Celestial!

I support the OP here. I think options for color blind folks should be implemented. Color blindness is a lot more common than people realize.

We have options to change a lot of colors in the UI. i have customized the blazes out of mine. If we can change a target circle color, I'd imagine something could be implemented to change AoE colors. It's just a matter of "import skin into Photoshop, change hue, export". The hardest part would be writing the lines of code needed to give that skin option to a player, but since they already did that for UI options, I'd imagine they already have the knowledge to go on to make this happen.