Zodiac Weapons The Next Step. (Findings)

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12-10-2014, 01:23 AM
Mardel

FINALLY MY CARP/BSM/ALC desynth combo pay off!
12-10-2014, 01:29 AM
NorthernLadMSP

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

30 sec for a craft.

But what about the time people have to invest to be able to craft a 3 star item??

You're right. So, because you choose to level your crafters up to be able to craft these items, I must be obligated to succumb to whatever you feel like charging me to advance my relic that I've worked so hard on. :rolleyes:
12-10-2014, 01:41 AM
BobbinT

Btw, there's 2 big fish needed in 2 of hand-in crafts. Anyone know the stat requirement to caught those? Hopefully it doesn't require any 2.4 gears to meet the requirements.
12-10-2014, 01:45 AM
Xine

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

You're right. So, because you choose to level your crafters up to be able to craft these items, I must be obligated to succumb to whatever you feel like charging me to advance my relic that I've worked so hard on. :rolleyes:

Some people forget that prices crafters set are generally based on the price of the materials and then increased/decreased based on effort and supply/demand. The amount of effort it took before 2.45 to get a crafter 3* ready was enough of a reason to deter about 95% of the people I know from ever touching a crafting class. The amount of effort it takes now, is severely diminished. The only effort it takes now to get a crafter 3* ready is materia melds and a bit of gil for the Artisan's pieces (prices pending on server's market), and if you know a crafter whose at 3 or 4* level already, thats even less work involved.

This post isn't to you specifically, but a statement in general. Don't hate on crafters because they put work into their crafts, as some people have mentioned "4* crafting sounds harder than SCoB, never touching that shit". I have all my crafters up to 3* (and most at 4*) and I have a max Crit/Det Nexus and I'll say this, neither one is harder than the other, neither one is more time consuming than the other, its just a matter of how hard you grind at one vs the other that it only seems harder/more time consuming.
12-10-2014, 02:00 AM
StouterTaru

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Btw, there's 2 big fish needed in 2 of hand-in crafts. Anyone know the stat requirement to caught those? Hopefully it doesn't require any 2.4 gears to meet the requirements.

There are no fish listed in the patch notes, pretty sure the things reported as being fish come from desynth.
12-10-2014, 02:06 AM
StouterTaru

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

You're right. So, because you choose to level your crafters up to be able to craft these items, I must be obligated to succumb to whatever you feel like charging me to advance my relic that I've worked so hard on. :rolleyes:

There are so many 3 star crafters, most of these won't be more than 200k each in a week. The biggest issue I see is beldah'dian silver dropping from boar/peiste/unhidden maps. I'm sure the maps are sold out or going for insane prices on the MB right now.
12-10-2014, 02:08 AM
Parodine

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Originally Posted by Hinty

I just did WP as MNK and got the item. My nexus weapon is on PLD so I think as long as you have the quest it doesn't matter which class you do the dungeon on.

Also, so far both Haukke HM and WP have dropped the items first run.

That's awesome at least. So if we're getting bad drop-rates, at least we can switch to a different job to reduce the mind-numb.
12-10-2014, 02:10 AM
ServerCollaps

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

There are no fish listed in the patch notes, pretty sure the things reported as being fish come from desynth.

eel pie requires worm of nym, which is a big fish

its a 2.3 fish and requires about 350+ gathering
12-10-2014, 02:15 AM
StouterTaru

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

eel pie requires worm of nym, which is a big fish

ok, guess they are old fish from 2.3
12-10-2014, 02:17 AM
MilesSaintboroguh

Know what the hilarious part is? We do all this nonsense, short of punting a Lalafell off a cliff, and the ilevel is only 125.
12-10-2014, 02:18 AM
Xine

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Know what the hilarious part is? We do all this nonsense, short of punting a Lalafell off a cliff, and the ilevel is only 125.

I can think of a few "lalafells" I would enjoy punting over a cliff, can we do this for the final upgrade to i130/135!? (please say yes)
12-10-2014, 02:21 AM
Prototype909

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Know what the hilarious part is? We do all this nonsense, short of punting a Lalafell off a cliff, and the ilevel is only 125.

i130 upgrade will probably come once Final Coil is considered aged content.
12-10-2014, 02:24 AM
Merylx

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Originally Posted by NoRyoKu

I think that the drop rate is far better than atma ever was. I hear things like 4-5 runs max for a drop. could it be a 10-15% drop rate??

If this is true, then I'm getting a very bad case of RNG. I've just ran Haukke Manor HM for the 7th time, and still haven't got the drop. Ouch.
12-10-2014, 02:26 AM
LaylaTsarra

Does everyone with the quest get the drop or is it randomly distributed? Do you have to roll on it like a chest item?
12-10-2014, 02:27 AM
MilesSaintboroguh

I heard you get a pop up notice about the item once you leave the dungeon.
12-10-2014, 02:27 AM
Eardstapa

From player reports, it is Atma 2.0; A relatively low chance, where it will pop up on screen in a big ol' window when you get it. One person can get it, all four can get it. Praise RNGesus!
12-10-2014, 02:28 AM
Felis

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Originally Posted by Merylx

The biggest problem I have with this is... well, AV... AV... -eyes begin to twitch- my dread nightmare. I've done T5, I've done T9, and I'm now doing FCoB, but nothing can ever prepare me for the horrors of AV. What an awful dungeon it truly is.

Excuse me, I need a tissue - I'm about to cry ...

AV is easy if you run it with a decent party.
12-10-2014, 02:29 AM
MilesSaintboroguh

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Originally Posted by Felis

AV is easy if you run it with a decent party.

Odds of finding a decent party is as high as getting an Atma pre nerf.
12-10-2014, 02:30 AM
Windklinge

and then the xpac comes and slaps all players in the face with a reset of a new relic questline since no new player would ever do all this for a lvl 50 weapon ^^ so if it takes to long to get it/has to much RNG involved dont bother with it. also patch 2.5 will probaly hand out ivl 130 weapons again just like 2.3 did. so if you cannot get relic done till 2.5 dont bother with it guys.
12-10-2014, 02:34 AM
ServerCollaps

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Originally Posted by Merylx

If this is true, then I'm getting a very bad case of RNG. I've just ran Haukke Manor HM for the 7th time, and still haven't got the drop. Ouch.

the chance of getting an item after the 7th time with a 15% chance is around 60 or 70%, thats not even bad luck, its normal

and its still way less work involved than farming 2k light
12-10-2014, 02:38 AM
Merylx

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

the chance of getting an item after the 7th time with a 15% chance is around 60 or 70%, thats not even bad luck, its normal

and its still way less work involved than farming 2k light

Lol fair enough. I was just going off what some were saying on here. I didn't know the % of the chance drop.
12-10-2014, 02:39 AM
BobbinT

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

There are no fish listed in the patch notes, pretty sure the things reported as being fish come from desynth.

geez...

http://i.imgur.com/movPi4t.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mUPlPxd.jpg
12-10-2014, 03:02 AM
Ulathskullsplitter

So seeing people say you don't have to have your nexus equipped or even on that job to get your drops, do you even have to have a nexus to start this quest? Would be so nice if I could start collecting these while finishing farming my light at the same time.
12-10-2014, 03:05 AM
MilesSaintboroguh

Yes you do. You can't begin this quest unless you obtained a Nexus relic.
12-10-2014, 03:11 AM
Yukiko

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Yes you do. You can't begin this quest unless you obtained a Nexus relic.

And thats the epic fail where it come to stupid grinding...
12-10-2014, 03:18 AM
Maero

Oh i am sure fates will be involved, fates are always involved for content ......
12-10-2014, 04:25 AM
LineageRazor

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Yes you do. You can't begin this quest unless you obtained a Nexus relic.

Do you have to have the Nexus equipped while running the dungeons? Or do you just have to have the quest open?

I'm 2/3 done with my Curtana Nexus, and just recently finished my Veil of Wiyu Novus. Once I start this quest on my Curtana, can I run the dungeons on my SMN and get lights along with the Nexus quest items? Or will I be forced to run the dungeons as PLD with my Curtana equipped?

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

You're right. So, because you choose to level your crafters up to be able to craft these items, I must be obligated to succumb to whatever you feel like charging me to advance my relic that I've worked so hard on. :rolleyes:

Never really understood this bitterness toward crafters. Complaining about having to buy expensive crafting items because you couldn't be bothered to invest in crafting yourself is as silly as a crafter who whines about not getting free T13 carries in spite of not investing in their DoM/W progression.

If you don't have time to do EVERYTHING in this game (and honestly, not many have that kind of time), then you need to pick and choose which things are important to you. On the occasions when you need access to the things you passed up, you have a few choices: Befriend someone who has taken that path and ask them for help, take the time to follow that path now and catch up, or beg or pay a stranger to do it for you.

FFXIV has been notorious about making crafters and gatherers feel like they're superfluous fluff; nearly everything that they provide amounts to little more than glamour, minions, barding - stuff that has little to no effect on actual gameplay. I cheer every time SE adds something that makes these classes feel like they're an actual, meaningful part of the game.
12-10-2014, 04:29 AM
Zumi

WP grind is real already 0/18
12-10-2014, 04:33 AM
NorthernLadMSP

And yet, your example doesn't really fly with me. Why? Because crafters do NOT HAVE to beat T13 to improve their crafting class as Coil has no significance on their ability to craft. Yet, if you're a non-crafter who only likes to participate in war/magic classes running dungeons/Coil, now you are forced to be involved in crafting (in one aspect or another) to continue with your relic, be it crafting these items yourself, coughing up all that gil to pay a crafter or be lucky enough to have a friend who will help you out for free.
12-10-2014, 04:48 AM
Parodine

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Originally Posted by Zumi

WP grind is real already 0/18

Damn >< My sympathies. I'm 1/1 on WP, 1/1 on Aurum Vale, 1/2 on Copperbell, 0/2 on Haukke. I'm sure I'll hit that point with one of em. But that RNG x_x
12-10-2014, 05:10 AM
Konata

does anyone know if perfect items have to HQ or can we hand in NQ version in for the quest?
12-10-2014, 05:19 AM
Antanias

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Originally Posted by Konata

does anyone know if perfect items have to HQ or can we hand in NQ version in for the quest?

Curious about this as well. I'm hearing one side say nq and the other saying hq.
12-10-2014, 05:56 AM
Giantbane

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Originally Posted by Zumi

WP grind is real already 0/18

Oh, man, you know what the problem with atma was? You got them from FATEs.

Now that the atma are dungeon drops they've completely taken care of all complaints!

/sarcasm
12-10-2014, 05:58 AM
Shinun

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Oh, man, you know what the problem with atma was? You got them from FATEs.

Now that the atma are dungeon drops they've completely taken care of all complaints!

/sarcasm

Aurum Vale x.x Just for sanity purpose I'm glad they didn't have Steel Vigil aswell.
12-10-2014, 06:01 AM
Numenor1379

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Originally Posted by Shinun

Aurum Vale x.x Just for sanity purpose I'm glad they didn't have Steel Vigil aswell.

I believe we do... it's just further along one of the quest lines. -_____-
12-10-2014, 06:03 AM
Shinun

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

I believe we do... it's just further along one of the quest lines. -_____-

No thats HM. I'm fine with all HMs, it's just a few dungeons pre 50 that are long and tedious that really kills me. Vigil/Aurum/Cutters when ppl want to EXP
12-10-2014, 06:20 AM
Bushido_Brown

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Curious about this as well. I'm hearing one side say nq and the other saying hq.

All crafted items need to be HQ... BUT, they aren't unique/untradeable :) ... i cried a little at the need of a Worm of Nym, though >_>
12-10-2014, 06:22 AM
Yamimarik

Any idea where the new Big Fish come from? skill lvl? And what time the new node opens up for BTN?
12-10-2014, 06:31 AM
Shinun

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Originally Posted by Bushido_Brown

All crafted items need to be HQ... BUT, they aren't unique/untradeable :) ... i cried a little at the need of a Worm of Nym, though >_>

How bad is Worm of Nym? None were ever sold on MB on my server and I almost have the 351 Gathering to fish it
12-10-2014, 06:34 AM
BobbinT

requoted my question as well since there's no clear answer yet, aside of someone mentioning of having gathering stat of 350.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

geez...

http://i.imgur.com/movPi4t.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mUPlPxd.jpg

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