Solo players can't get proper credit for hunts

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Originally Posted by Elim

No. You're just twisting my words for whatever reason. Please re-read my post.

All I'm saying is giving full credit to every solo player will only increase the amount of people at each hunt, therefore potentially causing more issues for everyone.

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more issues like what? mobs dying in seconds? :rolleyes:

not giving more seals ,wont stop soloers to be there near the hunt mob and try to get some seals....even if its only 2

if soloers get seals faster > they will stop doing hunts faster > less ppl doing hunts in the long run

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Originally Posted by Elim

No. You're just twisting my words for whatever reason. Please re-read my post.

All I'm saying is giving full credit to every solo player will only increase the amount of people at each hunt, therefore potentially causing more issues for everyone.

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And you need to realize that a lot of people who are complaining are those who just happen to be in the area when a hunt mob spawns, go to attack it and get nothing for it.
This isn't about "it will cause more people to do hunts" its about people who ALREADY THERE getting nothing because they didn't "get into a hunt party ahead of time".

It's like saying people aren't allowed to walk by a fast food restaurant and go in to have lunch unless they had made reservations in advance. (Read: No one makes reservations at McDonalds & Burger King)

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

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To your first point: FPS lag, perhaps server crashes(unless that's been completely fixed due to Odin), longer area loading times, etc. There's a reason why PS3 players are complaining about being unable to hunt.

To your second point: Yes, but some people will go until all their battle classes are i110 and/or they have all the vanity. The huge zergs may last until the next patch where i110 is no longer the top teir and beyond.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

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And you do realized that more than just "the solo people in the area" will join? People will start activly doing hunts solo if solo players get credit.

There's really no way to argue the fact that more people will join in the hunt if it's easier to get the rewards. I'm sorry that that upsets you. That is why I proposed a new way to get hunts.

screw the people saying join a party or ls

I shouted for 2 NM's yesterday that I found randomly on my own sitting there unclaimed, could not get a group and there was noone ungrouped in the zone that wanted to kill it. These were both stolen by the same ls who showed up with less than a group and still would not invite me.

Been looking for a functioning hunt LS on my server for 8+ hours a day since hunts were introduced, 0 invites. I have tons of friends in good hunt ls'es but none are accepting new members.

So how exactly are we supposed to participate again?

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Originally Posted by Elim

And you do realized that more than just "the solo people in the area" will join? People will start actively doing hunts solo if solo players get credit.

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God forbid paying customers do content they PAY for!
What they should really just do is put the stupid sands into syrcus tower and massively increase the daily mark rewards but their very lackluster response to hunts in the live letter doesn't seem like they will be doing that in a high priority.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

God forbid paying customers do content they PAY for!

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I'm not saying that people shouldn't get to take part in certain content. I'm simply saying that it could cause issues. If there wasn't a chance that it'd cause issues then I wouldn't have even bothered to post here. Power to the casuals and whatnot. SE does it's best to please the casuals.

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Originally Posted by Elim

SE does it's best to please the casuals.

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Problem is, hunts at the moment are not for casuals at all.
A casual person logs in, does some dailies, maybe a roulette and logs out.
A casual player doesn't have time to join a huge linkshell and sit there for hours scouting for mobs and hoping their party gets there before the rest of the server zergfest.

While the complaints from this thread ARE from the casuals who are doing their daily things, run upon a mob, want to hit it a few times to get some seals but are unable to because they didn't have the time to join a premade party ahead of time.

I think some people think casual player = one who cannot do difficult content like coil, and thats completely untrue.
I consider myself a casual (only play about 3 hours a night) and I raid with my coil group 2 days a week for about an hour and a half a day.
I feel like that the coil content is a lot more "casual friendly" to me than this hunt system is.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Problem is, hunts at the moment are not for casuals at all.

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Yes, I gathered that from the thread already.

SE does it's best to please the casuals but it's best isn't always good enough.

I'm not a casual at all, in any shape or form. Never have been, never will be, but I'm not against them. There's no way to stop SE from catering to them so it's better just to accept the fact and move on.

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Originally Posted by Elim

SE does it's best to please the casuals but it's best isn't always good enough.

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Thats where i can not take you serious any more...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Thats where i can not take you serious any more...

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No clue what you're talking about.

I am 100% casual friendly.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Please fix.

May I suggest just anyone who lands a hit on the hunt can get full credit? It's just a zerg fest anyway.

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Hunts were intended to be group content. Bs being intended for a single full group (8 people) and A/S being intended for multiple full groups.

I hope you see the irony in your name.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

Hunts were intended to be group content. Bs being intended for a single full group (8 people)

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B's were intended to be solo'd. Because of Zerg that it was changed to light party. A shame really. They should've just increased B spawn rate. Or added more B's and have multiples spawn at a time to spread any would be groups out.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

B's were intended to be solo'd. Because of Zerg that it was changed to light party. A shame really. They should've just increased B spawn rate. Or added more B's and have multiples spawn at a time to spread any would be groups out.

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^ This is correct. Misremembered what the change was.

Bs are 4 players.

What they should have done is make them actual NMs... Aka things you camp. Not things that spawn randomly on their own that you have to search the 4 corners of the Earth for. Let me kill some Kobolds in the caves until the rare Kobold Taskmaster spawns and I kill it for something meaningful.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

What they should have done is make them actual NMs... Aka things you camp. Not things that spawn randomly on their own that you have to search the 4 corners of the Earth for. Let me kill some Kobolds in the caves until the rare Kobold Taskmaster spawns and I kill it for something meaningful.

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These are spawn conditions which we already have, and which I'd like to be the main thing about hunts.
It's just that the spawn rate is limited which is necessary for open world content to prevent people from farming.
But how about limiting a players ability to spawn NMs instead of a fixed timer effecting all players?

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A player figures out the spawning conditions of a NM, calls some friends, and they spawn and kill it.
Doing so gives all participants the same reward and a "lockout" preventing them from spawning the same NM again for a set ammount of time.
They can still help others who fight the same NM, but they will get less rewards for the kill.

Hunts aren't solo friendly??? Hunt aren't PS4 friendly period -- that's cause we can't use radar. Our only hope now is to join a team that is using a third party cheat.

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

How about, I don't know, for a party yourself?

I think ingame help even tells you how to do it.

*shocked*

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Funny how every post you make just shows even more how rotten this community is. It's people like you why i avoid as much group content as possible when it comes to joining random parties. The hunt system has issues, you can't deny that.

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Originally Posted by PixelPirate

Hunts aren't solo friendly??? Hunt aren't PS4 friendly period that's cause we can't use radar.

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I find it funny everyone blames the radar. There is probably 1 mega linkshell entirely dedicated to hunting and they know when the last monster died and as a result when the next one is about to spawn. The group I run with has about 1 person in every zone and 5 in every zone with an A that could possibly spawn. The amount of time these monsters stay up without being found isn't long and it's not because everyone is running a radar. The reason people are showing up to the monster you found is because 1. they were already looking for it and 2. the idiot in your fc/ls probably told them it was up.

I understand blaming ps4/ps3 load times for being late to monsters especially if you're not in a dedicated hunt ls, because you are probably getting old info. But, you're fooling yourself if you think having radar is going to magically get you all the hunts.

Why would you solo content that isn't made to be soloed? What's next? "Fixing" coil so that can be soloed too?

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Originally Posted by PixelPirate

Hunts aren't solo friendly??? Hunt aren't PS4 friendly period -- that's cause we can't use radar. Our only hope now is to join a team that is using a third party cheat.

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This is an issue with Hunts. Not the system itself, but people assuming that other players must be using radars since they got there first. Why not assume they are in a tight knit group with other players who are keeping information to themselves last minute?

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

Funny how every post you make just shows even more how rotten this community is. It's people like you why i avoid as much group content as possible when it comes to joining random parties. The hunt system has issues, you can't deny that.

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I suppose this points at my issue, the community is quite rotten. At first, when hunts started, people had been using the /shout channel to target other players an publicly abuse them or announce to blacklist a player. The players were given what they have been asking for, an open world NM system. What's wrong with the system? Nothing. Well then what is actually wrong with hunts? Expectations. It seems so many players have these really high expectations of someone waiting to pull a Mark before they, their party, half their FC, and maybe even a LS get there. Why? Why should these people wait? Don't get me wrong here, I am not saying don't wait. Sure it's nice and I do appreciate it when people wait until I or others get there and I also do the same. But if I am actively hunting with my party and we come across a prize, what makes someone else more deserving of it? Especially if several of the players there were not even hunting to begin with?

Compare it to RNG, you win some, you lose some. Tough!

To counter people resetting mobs, just have a reward lockout for anyone who resets a mob. Heck, if SE wants to stop people from resetting, make it a party wide reward lockout. Pretty sure that would just about put an end to resetting mobs.

I still don't understand why people don't think a solo person should get the same amount of credit (for the same contribution) that a person in a party receives. I'm sure this situation has happened at least a few times and should be considered a flaw: a solo person hits a mob 4 times and gets the lowest possible reward, while a 4 man party each hits once and gets full credit. It just really makes no sense. Equal pay for equal work!

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Originally Posted by Maduro

a solo person hits a mob 4 times and gets the lowest possible reward, while a 4 man party each hits once and gets full credit

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Well, yeah. It's party content. The party structure is also important. Also 4 players can also get 4 hits in quicker than 1 person and generate more enmity, which is key.

This is an MMO, you are mean't to play with other players. Play with other players and you'll get full credit.

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Originally Posted by Purplenum

This is an MMO, you are mean't to play with other players. Play with other players and you'll get full credit.

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You are playing with others technically... just not in a party with them. 100 players non-party players can help each other out to beat a single mob.

Personally, I'd like to see something changed with regards to single player contribution also. A non-partied BLM that did F3-F1-F1-F1-F1-F1-B3 spam can get 2 allied points while another person would get full credits for doing a single hit just because he leeched from party contribution.

I sometime go as tank solo and spam overpower as War and get full credit on A rank

I would like to be able to do this without a party. I mean, it's not like I would be ALONE there, you know? Just that I wouldn't be forced to follow the horde at all times. Everyone could gather up where they want and when they want. Together alone. LOL. :)