Who is really optimistic about this game?

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to devs: optimism only takes you so far. lets hope at 2.0 the content does all the talking cause promises and talk has already been used up by a long shot.

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This right here! Cause I can almost guarantee I won't be back due to my husband not like this game :/...so devs...ummm I better hear that this game got it's act together, at 2.0...cause if not...if many lost players are as brutal as my husband in their judgements...or worse... in the words of J from Men In Black..."Day-um"

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Originally Posted by Drunk-Bandit

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

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Okay.
Fist off, you're wrong, being 'behind' is purely a matter of perspective and has no bearing on population or features aside from personal taste and overall finical gain which at this point any amount of profit would be a gain. Square has enough reserve finances from Dragon Quest and the like to keep this game alive for a long time should they choose; how it relates with other MMO's in terms of profit isn't terribly relevant for us.

Second, the reason that certain "simple features" haven't been implemented or have taken so long to be implemented, have to do with a combination of bad server structure, the change of development team, and the total redesign. You should know this by now. I'm tired of explaining it.

Third, there are things that FFXIV does that other MMO's are behind in. One character being allowed any job or class at any given time. Direct player input on game development. Multi-platform and multinational servers. First and Surnames (yeah big deal I know, don't focus on this though because I swear to Halone if you pinpoint on the weakest link and ignore everything else- OOOH).

Is it perfect? God no.
Could it use other features from other MMO's? [omitted] yes.

But being "behind"? That's dumb. That implies there's a linear course, an eventual goal in design. An end we'll somehow eventually reach.

I've been pretty positive up until patch 1.20. The patch is half-assed and feels unfinished. I feel it was a step backwards for the game. 1.19 delivered way more than 1.20 in terms of content and polish. I just figured they would go "all-out" for 1.20; considering it was the patch that was supposed to get us hooked onto the game before we had to start paying. Honestly, I'm beginning to lose hope for the game—the fast dwindling population on my server doesn't help either.

1. FFXIV smartphone application
2. Player Housing - outdoor design, gardens
3. Chocobo Raising - part of player housing
4. Content Finder - if it is what it sounds like, searching for groups from all worlds would be amazing
5. Large Scale PvE - Maybe from Hamlet defense - it might offer a similar open battle like campaign battles? but if not they still have large scale PvE coming
6. PvP - I hope they pull this off better with the concept of Coliseum
7. Recipe Book - no more browsing off websites for recipes
8. Casino/Card games/Minigames - eh... not sure how to feel about this one
9. Summoning/Pet classes - Not really a huge fan of summoning classes but having the choice to play that type of role would be nice

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Third, there are things that FFXIV does that other MMO's are behind in. One character being allowed any job or class at any given time. Direct player input on game development. Multi-platform and multinational servers. First and Surnames (yeah big deal I know, don't focus on this though because I swear to Halone if you pinpoint on the weakest link and ignore everything else- OOOH).

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Oooh boy another Person Coming to Defend the almighty Square enix hahahahahaha!!! Man this is getting Fun... I guess being on these forums is better then playing FFXIV It's self I Suppose. Not like the game has a Community anyways... Heck it's a shadow of it's former self, and they were dumb enough not to take the successful elements from XI... They tried to make it soo different to the point the game doesn't have "Global Chat"... But Hey... I use to be an adventurer just like you my friend until I realize how far SE had fallen. Oooh don't get me started on the broken storyline of this game... The Villains in this game seemed to be non-existence & completely Predicable :/ BORING!!! Next Mmorpg plz SE :)

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Originally Posted by Gramul

But being "behind"? That's dumb. That implies there's a linear course, an eventual goal in design. An end we'll somehow eventually reach.

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:D maybe in 2020.... Heck it takes em that long to release a patch anyways soo why not... Wonder if people will still be playing this trash by then ^.~

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Okay.
Fist off, you're wrong, being 'behind' is purely a matter of perspective and has no bearing on population or features aside from personal taste and overall finical gain which at this point any amount of profit would be a gain. Square has enough reserve finances from Dragon Quest and the like to keep this game alive for a long time should they choose; how it relates with other MMO's in terms of profit isn't terribly relevant for us.

Second, the reason that certain "simple features" haven't been implemented or have taken so long to be implemented, have to do with a combination of bad server structure, the change of development team, and the total redesign. You should know this by now. I'm tired of explaining it.

Third, there are things that FFXIV does that other MMO's are behind in. One character being allowed any job or class at any given time. Direct player input on game development. Multi-platform and multinational servers. First and Surnames (yeah big deal I know, don't focus on this though because I swear to Halone if you pinpoint on the weakest link and ignore everything else- OOOH).

Is it perfect? God no.
Could it use other features from other MMO's? [omitted] yes.


But being "behind"? That's dumb. That implies there's a linear course, an eventual goal in design. An end we'll somehow eventually reach.

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I am sure they do have enough finances to keep this game alive along as they chose, I never said otherwise. And I never discussed anything about SE profting from this game. It's all on them if they chose to keep a game open and make/lose money from it.

Actually, the lack of the two items I discussed in my post is from them doing a rush job on this game. Yeah, the reason why the game wasn't implemented with two basic feature I discussed may have very well be due to bad server structure. Hence why you don't release half-finished work >_<; you just don't! You don't turn in work that is half finished, you don't sell a customer a brand new shiney car, who is expecting it to have a engine in it, and charge full price! It's bad bad business practices and you lose customers that way, even long time customers. In business, you don't chance in ruining your customer loyalty. You mess up once and maybe the customer will give you the opportunity to fix the issue, but if you can't properly fix the issue in a proper amount of time you just lost your customer, & word of mouth travels fast.

You are right, that is one great thing FFXI and FFXIV had going for it. You could have one character and give it as many jobs as you wanted. That is great and it is a shame that more MMO's do not do this. However, I pinpointed two our of many weakest links this game had stacked against it. It was released with lag issues, it was released with very minimal content (There was the main story line, behest, and leves.), wards were impossible to navigate through causing extreme price gouging of items (and you can't say they didn't exist in the beginning because I expierienced it first hand in crafting when I was trying to hunt down ingredients to grind my craft), crafting was extremely irritating due to need god knows how many items to craft something, space on character and retainer was limited, lack of various modes of transport once Anima was consumed, no way for DOL to avoid HL monsters in areas they needed in order to progress in level (I didn't expirience this first hand, but from playing over this entire time this seemed to be a concern amongst DOL)...need I go on?


Do I or many expect a game to be perfect on release...IDK maybe, I'm not one of them, but the list of issues they had at release...really? Really? That is insane. Those are things that shouldn't have been. So yes, at release, they to me seemed very very behind compared to other MMO's, especially compared to SW at release since it's a new MMO, and FFXIV was released just a little over a year ago.

I'm not saying the team isn't doing a great job now, cause they are. They are truly working their tooshies off and I commend every single one of them for sticking with this project to hopefully bring it to the glory it deserves. However I think many are in very much so denial about this game behind behind others in terms of being released for play for the first time.

i am very optimistic

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Originally Posted by Pulseczar

I've been pretty positive up until patch 1.20. The patch is half-assed and feels unfinished. I feel it was a step backwards for the game. 1.19 delivered way more than 1.20 in terms of content and polish. I just figured they would go "all-out" for 1.20; considering it was the patch that was supposed to get us hooked onto the game before we had to start paying. Honestly, I'm beginning to lose hope for the game—the fast dwindling population on my server doesn't help either.

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Well 1.20 technically isn't a content patch. Why would they decide to commence billing on an off 'content' patch? Who the hell knows.

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Originally Posted by Drunk-Bandit

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Look, if you don't want to seriously discuss it just tell me. I'm not gonna waste my time with that schadenfreude nonsense.

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

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The finance thing wasn't really directed at you so don't worry yourself over it. As for the "half finished" features, consider them a sort of quick fix while they work on the 2.0 version; as far as you should be concerned, this is the 2.0 beta and they're not charging full price. The folly of FFXIV is on its own merit and should be judged as such. FFXIV is no more behind other MMO's as VVVVVV is behind Super Mario 3D land.

Basically what I'm trying to convey is that evolution is not a line. Development and style come from adapting to any given situation to whatever is the best outcome decided by the people in charge. If you fail to adapt, you die. FFXIV is adapting by Yoshi and company's perspective, developers not in the same position or mindset of WoW or swtor's developers.

Squares Goals at this point are basicly:
Have the game make money.
Regain trust in Fanbase.

Blizzard and EA's are:
Make even more money.

Or at least that's how it seems.

There are many routes with many goals. The results of one game do not have to be reflected in another.

I just came back to the after a year away from it due to its horrible, rocky start. But I can say that these last 2 days of testing I feel the game is going in the right direction. I really hope it does NOT become another FFXI in regards to game mechanics.
I have passed from not being able to be logged in for more than 30 minutes to constantly traveling and looking for quests to complete and doing Grand Company's missions. I did grind a little bit yesterday in a full group, and I was gladly surprised about the new pty bonuses (that was very cool)
Materia is great, but it kind of sucks that you need a "crafter" to imbue it on your equipment. I have a blacksmithing leveled but what about people who don't like to craft? Still, a very welcome update.

The only 2 things that still annoy the hell out of me is the Anima system for traveling (just make it free or make the anima restore faster; it is annoying and does NOT help as a time sink in order to keep people playing. When people get tired of just running through humongous maps, SE will loose subscribers instead of keeping them paying for "running"), and the god damn Targeting system.

Another 2 things that I am willing to overlook for now are the lack of a functioning Mail System, and the mess the Retainer system is at the moment. Just get rid of that silly system and introduce a damn Auction System once and for all, stop wasting your and my time on introducing a more complex and useless trading system (Tanaka, I fkn hate you dude)

All in all, the game IS way better than before, and I feel it is improving, going the right way, and that makes me happy. My only concern is if it is not too late for the game's image. Out of these forums FFXIV is synonymous of "This is how to make a game suck no matter what", and it will require huge fan support, advertising, and continuous work towards what the game is really supposed to be in order to get potential players faith.

Thank you SE for getting rid of the people that killed the game before it was born and getting people on your team that actually know what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

this is the type of ignorance that hinders a game. if someone voices any opposition to anything the game is they are told to leave and they will not be missed, but i do have news for you. they are missed. that's why tanaka is gone, yoshi is here, and they are having to merge servers. those people left and now they are missed.

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I really don't miss Tanaka at all..does that make me a bad person? >.>

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Originally Posted by Kasathar

I really don't miss Tanaka at all..does that make me a bad person? >.>

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no. i know there are people that don't miss tanaka. each person is entitled to their own opinion. you are not a bad person in any single way for not having the same opinion i have. i wish he would have been able to finish the game instead of the half done release we got, but that doesn't make anyone else wrong for not wanting the same.

what i am saying is if the people had not left in the mass exodus late last year then he would still be here. if he was still here yoshi would not be here. if those people were still here the servers would still be full so there would be no need for server merges.

all i am saying is that telling anyone else to leave and they will not be missed is incorrect since the game is dead and servers are having to be merged. those people did leave and they are badly missed.

LOL, it was joke, buddy. I really hate Tanaka, but I do agree with you in regards people being missed when they are gone. But I think we have derrailed the topic a little bit already :)

I think 2.0 is their chance to go all out. IF they relase a good quality 2.0 they need to let loose the dogs of advertisement war. Relaunch the advertisement of the game especially in North America where there frankly wasnt any, open the game up to playstation 3 and give the game a second chance at life. There is still potential in this game and they are headed in the right direction so far.

This game still has a long way to go. I think it's a mistake to start charging for a game that doesn't even have enough content to keep you entertained. People are now saying wait til 2.0. I honestly don't know how to support this game anymore. It failed in every sense of the word.

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

Another observation.... Why do the biggest complainers/ Pessimists/nay sayers have the most posts on the forums? How much of your life have you wasted posting your 500+ posts on a game that according to your selves isn't worth the time to even play?

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From my observations, many of them (not all, but many) haven't even made any significant progress ingame doesn't matter how long ago they started. They even criticize content they can't possibly have any first-hand experience doing.

Therefore, I have two conclusions about these people:

1: They are irredeemable haters who are only interested in trolling at this point, they just want to ruin the game for others for thier own amusement, and won't be staying after 1/6. Thier passing should not be mourned or even given a second thought, my worst regards to them.

2: They are sincere in thier criticism, but are born pessemists, nothing you, me, or anyone else could say will ever convince them that this game has improved or is worth playing. Some will probably stay on after subscriptions start, but will not stay very long as they are incapable of ever seeing anything good in this game. These ppl should be pitied.

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Originally Posted by FlowerPower

I think 2.0 is their chance to go all out. IF they relase a good quality 2.0 they need to let loose the dogs of advertisement war. Relaunch the advertisement of the game especially in North America where there frankly wasnt any, open the game up to playstation 3 and give the game a second chance at life. There is still potential in this game and they are headed in the right direction so far.

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I agree, I've met people who won't give the game a chance simply because they have heard the bad reviews on launch, and word-of-mouth advertising only goes so far.

This game will boom when it hits ps3. There has to be a pretty nice demand for MMOs on consoles. I know I liked the idea of being able to play DC universe on ps3 even though it isn't my kind of MMO. Would have never stopped playing FF11 on 360 if it didn't catch on fire. Cannot wait till FF14 is on my ps3.

I am optimistic, not really for 1.x but for 2.0. I will be very disappointed if 2.0 does not completely blow us all away.

So I am optimistic, but prepared to be disappointed.

I'm a (medically) retired IT consultant. After working in the field for over 22 years, I have two opinions. One of the original development team and it's leadership and one of the current development team and it's leadership. The only thing I'll say about the original group here is that they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves after working on this game for as many years as they did!

Now, on to the new development team, it's leadership and the state of the game as it stands and it's direction. I will say right now that I am 100% optimistic regarding this game. Yoshi and new team have been performing wonderfully. They are doing something that has never been done before (as far as I'm aware). They are taking an absolute failure and turning it around into a complete success.

When the game first released, I was in utter disbelief at what I found. My first thoughts were "What in the hell has this development team been doing with it's time for the last four to five years?". They sure as hell couldn't have been working very damn hard! I kept playing anyway (most of the time, in utter frustration).

Finally they announced the restructuring of the development team. When I found out who had been put in charge, I did a bit of research and learned what his past accomplishments were. I was impressed. Straight away, I told my wife (who also is an avid player), "They will begin rewriting this game from the ground up, to include the engine, while continuing to update this nightmare on a regular basis.". She thought I was nuts. Sure enough, that's what is happening. I knew that there was nothing short of a rewrite that could redeem the catastrophic failure that we had on our hands.

Now, this kind of stuff takes time. Developing an MMORPG from the ground up in 2 years is nothing short of awesome (if they are successful, which I believe they will be). At the same time they have been providing fairly decent updates. I become more impressed with each update. Sure, they make mistakes and bugs pop up here and there, but they are coding at blinding speed. I'm actually amazed that there aren't more bugs than we've seen.

It's a bit disappointing that we have to actually play the game between patch 1.20 and 1.21 with the class changes already made but still waiting for the jobs. I would have rather waited the extra 2 months to see both enter the scene at the same time. Game play would have been more enjoyable both now and then, but hey, we'll live and the show will go on.

Anyway, I've already written too much. I'm very, very optimistic and encourage SE not to ever abandon this project because I truly believe it's headed in the right direction. As hard as it's going to be to recover the "Final Fantasy" brand and as hard as it will be to recapture the trust of the players, it is entirely possible and probable that they will succeed if they just don't give up.

I would encourage those people who are still playing, to keep playing. If for no other reason, than just to get yourself way ahead of everyone else who will be flooding back to play when 2.0 is launched. I think, once we see the introduction of jobs in the next couple months, that the game will really begin to take off. Once the 2.0 client is redistributed and we load it up for the first time, I totally believe we'll all be blown away.

This dev team is not the team that ruined the game, brand name and company reputation, but it is the team that will restore all that has been lost. The community will see.

I'm optimistic-ish, thanks to 2.0. A lot of the stuff shown looks really exciting but I've learnt to be cautious with my optimism this time due to how bad badly they missed my expectations the first time around.

That being said, I'm confident that 2.0 will be a noticeable step-up from what we had before and we have got now.

If you aren't at all optimistic, what are you doing here?

with caution yes. I want more than anything for this game to be great someday. I think we all do even people that post on here with negitive posts still want the game to make it.

I've been a part of XIV since closed alpha. I took a break from Feb 2011 - July 2011. I peaked in from time to time with each new update. It was patch 1.18 that really brought me back to XIV for good. It was the first real update of the players polls, the promises and the "hype" of the rewrite. patches 1.19 and 1.20 have tempered my faith that this team will turn XIV around.

I'm looking forward to Ver 2.0. but I'm also looking forward to the updates we'll get for ver 1.x while we wait for October to roll around so we can get our first taste of ver 2.0

I wanted to clarify something since it seems I'm my posts go from one extreme to the other. I was disappointed with this game. There's no nice way to say it but it flopped. I can see the potential in it and that's why I'm still around. I just want SE to give us some content.

I don't want to pay for a year before 2.0 and get nothing but basic tweaks to the game. Tweaks that should have been there from the beginning. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. At least I hope I'm not.

If you are here solely based on potential it shouldn't matter what happens before 2.0 as the game isn't good enough for you to begin with, with or without a fee.

The whole concept of paying- no, playing a game only for it's potential sometime in the distant future is insanity. You either like the game yet deny it and that's why you play or you don't. And if you don't play any stance you are taking, any cause you are fighting for is completely lost. You are essentially fighting someone else's fight, taking a stance that the service should be free for those that SE owes nothing and hold no silly grudges over what should or shouldn't have been in the past. Meanwhile your own role in all of this is to be a bystander that all of this has no effect on, and even worse, an entitled one at that.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

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I suppose I'm cautiously optimistic.

Me, me! Although to be fair it was extremely cautious, measured optimism before 1.19 came out and the plans for 2.0 released. 1.20 has just cemented this optimism further; I can't wait to play up until 2.0 comes out, even with the game's problems being what they are.

I enjoy the game now...and hopefully will enjoy it 2.0 and beyond.

Can't really tell but are you being sarcastic? I kinda got that feeling while reading the OP. . . >_>;