No Boat Rides, No Airships

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Originally Posted by HeaphLedger

Well I plan on playing the game for more than a few months, then deactivating my account to post on the forums. You need a single player game, because obviously you just want to be in your own personal bubble, and speed through every minute of the game at top speed. Feel like this is an american issue, instant gratification. You can't handle working for anything.

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Translation: "I'm right and everyone who disagrees is a child or must fall into a stereotype!"

Awesome debate skills there, buddy. You simply must try your hand in politics.

And before you even start with me, I'm 30 years old and have been an avid MMO player for well over a decade. I have played games where it took time, patience & community to succeed. But you know what has changed in all of these years? The players who were once captivated by MMORPG have grown up, acquired jobs & long standing relationships. Many of us no longer have the time for the things you suggest. With a couple hours of play time each night, I personally enjoy not spending 20-30 minutes of it lost in a time sink. And rather than ostracize the players who have grown over the years, game developers have grown with them.

These are the times we're in. You may say that MMORPG may not be for us; that we should brush off and settle into a single player game. Well I say that maybe MMORPG may not be for you. At the very least, not this one.

Wish I was unemployed and have a empty social life...oh wait.

It's the shift from MMORPGs to MMOAG (Massively Multiplayer Online Arcade Games). People with short amounts of time or short amounts of attention span are looking for very surface level, drop a quarter, TV dinner style experiences. This is not an invalid play style it is simply an incompatible one with the kind sought by those looking to immerse themselves in a virtual world and live with all the potential pitfalls and challenges that come with a more engaging experience. The problem is developers continue to try and incorporate both into a single title and then fain surprise when conflict erupts.

Thankfully with more and more development companies gaining funding through avenues like Kickstarter we should start to see the rise of the indie MMO and with it an embrace of specialized experiences. (cont...)

I would say within the next 5 years we will see several more hardcore, deep, immersive world style MMOs appear and on the flip side some continuing to take the more arcadesque approach with less and less decision making, long term goals, and hurdles but a heavier emphasis on bite sized adventures with little to zero entry requirements.

The renovation of 14 inclines me to think that Square will be embracing the latter but we shall see. They may instead continue to try and ride the razor's edge and do both but we have seen how well that has been received. FFXI is a prime example of my point. Ask players around you and you will find that they fall fairly solidly into two categories, those that felt 11 was a horrible grindy, esoteric nightmare, and those that felt it was an amazingly challenge filled world built for more patient, cerebral players... that was later destroyed by the addition of Abyssya in an attempt to placate the former. (cont...)

We shall see more 11's before this is over, doubt it not. We will also see many more WoW, Rift, and FFXIV14's. What can I say, they make money so devs keep churning them out. What I will be interested to see is what happens when large firms start seeing their big budget babies cancelled when mass population shifts occur with the arrival of Kickstart Cinderella stories like Star Citizen. Time will tell.

P.S. Yikes, talk about embracing the McNugget Generation. -1000 characters... You can't even have an educated discussion unless you can fit it on the back of a matchbook. LOL

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Originally Posted by HeaphLedger

Yes I want to force you to travel,
I know you guys are more than likely FF13 kids,
FF has no content, and simple time sinks and fluff is needed. Forced. not optional Forced.
Most of you replying will quit in a few weeks anyways due to ADHD or whatever your mom blames it on.

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So much wrong here...Really and we should take this type of posting seriously and you wanna talk about social interaction and you post crap like this? >_>

ship music in FFXI was awesome :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tARfKHBSAfA

Making me take a 15 minute boat/airship ride won't make me socialize beyond my small circle of people I trust. Won't happen in my first MMO in 2000 and it certainly won't happen 13 years later.

And it's people like the OP that are doing more harm to this community.

Maybe it is my Starcraft background but I believe that rewards and etc should be based on skill and not time. Never knew where the obsession with grinding came from and even more puzzling is that people with more time attaches terms such as "good" and "bad" to players on the sole variable of time spent doing an mundane task

It's funny there is a huge contradiction in what players think they desire and what they really desire. The developers can only create what they feel will be profitable. Back in the day if you played an mmorpg you could be thrown into a world in which the only way you would have a map is if you find the location first, and i'm not talking about how on here where you get a map that is blank but still have a glowing dot telling you where you need to go for your quest. You would have been thrown into a world where you go by what you see on the screen and hope you are getting close to the location of the boss you have to fight or quest area and all you have is a compass telling you to go north for a few miles and you have to wonder how miles are calculated in game lol....Today mmorpg gamers might find that sort of game a bit weird or lacking, but you know what, in those games when you got to max level you literally remembered the names of every location, every village, every monster and boss, and every piece of gear or weapon you ever carried. Those games created real memories and you had to figure out how to get through the game with friends.

Today mmorpgs are catered to an audience which wants to be spoon-fed everything, and thus we have a game easily completed with very little help from your fellow man/woman. In other words, the sense of adventure has disappeared. Even if they make the game as big as skyrim it doesn't matter when you instantly not only know where to go for your next mission but you can get there in like 5 seconds. Do you understand now why what you desire as a gamer is impossible if you play a game designed to maximize profits through the currency of casuals? MMO's are now just that, MMO's, the RPG factor has pretty much died.

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Originally Posted by Shadex

Cerebral Gamers Unite

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Just wanted to say after reading your posts I totally agree with everything you said, I have a full time job (actually at work right now doing tech support), and a full time girlfriend and i would never hesitate to figure out a way to balance it all if a game came out that was worth me totally immersing myself in..heck i'd probably force her to learn how to play it if it were that great haha.