Live Letter Alpha rubber-banding and lag

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Originally Posted by Thunderz

This reminds me of Alpha Testing 1.0

exact words were words to defend the game...

Lets hope it doesn't happen again

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The difference with 1.0 is that Tanaka wouldn't admit there were problems with the game. He was not frank and open about how things were, what wasn't right and what needed fixing. Even to this day, after leaving SE, he won't admit that he screwed up. He passively puts the blame on the developers/designers he was directing.

The problem isn't in people saying "It's Alpha, you're going to see these things". That's 100% true. That's why Alpha tests and Beta tests exist in software development.

The problem isn't in acknowledging the issues... the problem, with 1.0, was that those issues weren't adequately addressed or prevented when they should have been.

Yoshi-P is not Tanaka.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Keep in mind, though... You mention it happening almost at the end of the video. For the entire video up to that point, consider how smoothly and well it performs.

How many people you reckon were on-screen with him at any given time, as well as in the immediate area but that exceeded the draw limit? All the running, jumping, emoting, fighting, spell-casting, people on Chocobos, running around mobs and NPCs, etc. Look how smoothly it's running -even for an Alpha build.

I was pretty damn impressed with how great it looks and smoothly it's running for being an earlier Alpha build. That they felt confident enough to show that live while doing the broadcast, and were relaxed enough to joke around, and speak very frankly and confidently about the game speaks volumes as well - or should anyway.

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Thank you.. I couldnt put it words as well as you did. 1.0 was terrible taking 5 mins for an NPC to load so you could get a damn CS... let alone find your friends unless you were outside the city.. the point of the video shows everyone doing action/emotes and what not while running through the city and charactor disappear just as fast as new ones pop up... so if you say this looks bad... go play something else and stop harassing the dev teams hard work. Keep it up Yoshi-P see you in alpha/beta

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

This is exactly the attitude that got us the 1.0 launch. Don't assume that SE will fix everything to your expectations if you don't say anything about it.

Please please criticize this game if you see problems with it. If you don't, how else will SE know what you want or where they need improvement?

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Criticizing things here does us no good. All we're going on are assumptions and youtube videos. We know very little and we won't know much until we get our hands on the game. There's a huge difference between seeing it and playing it.

The only people who can really get SE's attention and let them know what's wrong are those currently in the Alpha. If you really care about the future of the game, you'll work on finding/submitting bug reports and feedback if you get into the Alpha and Betas.

The problem with 1.0 was not just the lack of criticism, because believe me it got a lot of that. The problem was the devs didn't listen to a single word of it. People spoke up a ton about how bad a state the game was in. A good portion were also trying to be optimistic about it but everyone could see how bad it was.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

Hope you're right Preypacer.

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No need to. Regarding the lag, as people have already explained, and provided a link to, Yoshi-P and the devs are aware of it, have openly acknowledged it, and are working to correct it, basing the future testing schedule on their results.

Yoshi-P has been quite direct and open in telling us what's going on. He's been equally open in telling us when things wouldn't be done yet, or if they weren't decided on yet, or what not.

If this were Tanaka, doing things "The Tanaka Way" for a second time around, I'd be right there with you. Thankfully for us, it's not.

With all those people around there WILL be some lag. No matter how good the servers are.

I'm more amazed that some are surprised. Have you ever played a MMORPG?

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Originally Posted by elets

Thank you.. I couldnt put it words as well as you did. 1.0 was terrible taking 5 mins for an NPC to load so you could get a damn CS... let alone find your friends unless you were outside the city.. the point of the video shows everyone doing action/emotes and what not while running through the city and charactor disappear just as fast as new ones pop up... so if you say this looks bad... go play something else and stop harassing the dev teams hard work. Keep it up Yoshi-P see you in alpha/beta

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No problem, and thank you :)

I wouldn't suggest people "go away" though. That won't do the game any good. I think some people just need to sorta stop focusing on only "looking for issues", and also take the time to notice how much is going right with the game... even just on its own merits, nevermind compared to the rolling train wreck that was 1.0.

I just found it kind of astonishing that, out of a video running over 1.5 hours, showing live, un-doctored and un-edited alpha footage that was running beautifully for almost the entire time, that all of that would be completely overlooked and ignored due to a brief period of apparent lag/rubber-banding near the end. I mean, you have to seriously be focused on seeing only the negatives in something to miss so much of the positive in it.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

With all those people around there WILL be some lag. No matter how good the servers are.

I'm more amazed that some are surprised. Have you ever played a MMORPG?

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lol good point, that.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

With all those people around there WILL be some lag. No matter how good the servers are.

I'm more amazed that some are surprised. Have you ever played a MMORPG?

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Yet in that alpha video a shitload of ppl is clogging his char on purpose to test stress and he moves his char fluidly w/o a problem and everyone else's actions seem responsive and fluid too he finds a mob that aggros and BAM BAM!! combos it to death with that army of ppl following him no waiting 10 mins of clicking ability to finally go off

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Originally Posted by Warlock

You obviously weren't there on the 11th final event and how we weren't able to move or do shit at all for that matter with only 200 ppl in mor dhona which is a HUGE zone bcuz of massive lag that alpha footage is pulling off something x1000 better already so STFU with that over used card already

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So just because ARR Alpha is looking better than 1.0's terrible server structure means that it's flawless and can't be criticized or improved upon?

Saying that it's only Alpha/Beta as a defense for the game is what's overused and what happened too much for 1.0.

Oh, and yeah, I was there for the 11th event.

Stop the griefing already! The topics been linked and answered why must that mean the topic can keep going and decompose into a cesspool again... It is break time for us can we stop this already. ( ofc it wont i know this. But this is just annoying now)