DRK and HP sacrifice

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

It's similar but where I think that it doesn't fit the "frictionless" design philosophy is that it would be a lot more punishing than those two. Even if you mess up your gauge/MP management you have fallback options that you would simply lack if you were to for example reduce your own max HP down to 20%.

If you spend all your oath gauge before a buster you can substitute it with other cooldowns, same for emptying your MP at the wrong moment.
If you reduce your HP to 20% right before a buster, only cleansable by yourself, then no amount of other mitigation options is going to save you, besides maybe your invuln.

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Fair. I guess I was thinking of it as either the HP spender producing sustain in other ways and/or one having flat fallback options (like Great Nebula, Thrill of Battle, or the Excog portion of Shadowed Vigil) atop them.

I suppose a useful 'foolproofing' limiter of sorts could be to just use a portion of current health or a certain portion of max HP being left untouchable. E.g., if one spends 25% of current HP, the amount they can spend at a time is quickly reduced from 25% to 18.75% (at 75% health) to 14.06% to 10.55%, etc. Or, if spending some 20% at a time but unable to drop below 50% health outside of Living Dead, that'd likewise limit the extent to which it can be "overly" tapped. Oddly enough, I'd prefer the first, mostly just in that it'd also mean banking health allows one to be burstier. Big heal, big spend, if going the vampiric route for some reason.

Just no, if you do that, then I demand pld to block only physical dmg not magical.

Personally I find the FF14 DRK in general including the old Dark Arts era with MP management is pretty nice and unique among tanks, which Paladin the other tank that uses MP doesn't really need to concern about their MP unless things start go wrong and have to Clemency, hence I would like to see DRK keeps managing MP instead of HP.

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Originally Posted by ThorinG

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Okay but there's only a little problem here. Shadowbringer is an OGCD ability that has an animation time of less than a second, it hits for 600 for the target and 450 for all the enemies around the target. This means they would literally gut the potency of the ability to balance it, making it in line with the other tanks in DPS, not only that but they would probably decrease the potency of other abilities too because it's not the first time. Sure it has a 30% HP cost in this case and the healer can't just keep spamming heal quick enough for it but at that level they can heal quick enough to guarantee an extra 3 Shadowbringer at least, total potency of this combo reaches to 3600 for the target and 2700 for the enemies around the target which makes it more powerful than any other DPS ability you've seen, assuming it's 6 casts total after the incoming heal, which is really broken to the point of considering Dark Knight for a DPS rather than an actual DPS.

I mean we already see Edge being valued for it's 460 potency over TBN for 25% HP shield when you got mana around. So it stands to reason that yeah, if they'd do that, people would just eat HP like crazy to fit tons of Shadowbringers into the burst window.

The only way I can see Dark Knight having to do HP management is if they give Dark Knight 150-200% lifesteal in PvE... and the devs clearly don't want to do that...

I think that many are overlooking the primary reason that being able to sacrifice HP for DPS has very little chance of being a thing in PvE, that of the concept of autonomy vs dependency in terms of DPS capabilities for a job.
All jobs primarily rely on themselves and their own internal job mechanics to determine the DPS ceiling they can achieve, often relying on managing a resource that fuels DPS abilities. These resources are all self-contained within the job and are gained and used in a measurable and predictable fashion. HP is not that in any way and most HP that a tank has is managed and provided by another player, the healer.
Allowing DRK to use HP as a direct resource for DPS abilities will inevitably shift the responsibility for the DPS output of the DRK to their healer, turning the healer into a heal-bot resource battery to fuel the DRK's DPS. Nobody should want that kind of dynamic to be made a thing in the game.