Something needs to be done about .X5 content cycle

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I'm not explaining it away; I am offering a counterpoint, or a point of consideration.

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You say that but then you also say this:

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Well some people are busy learning then farming the new extreme trial or farming the new PvP series (and yes many casual players do this and a new map was released for it). I've been doing both. A lot of people also farm hunts around this time, and many others aren't completely finished with OC or Cosmic yet. For that reason, I'm sure it's out of consideration for the people who are doing the content that they released in 7.3.

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That's textbook explaining it away. While I understand why you're coming from that angle, its not the dev team's job to police how players go through their content. It isn't their issue that if a person wants to engage at all of the content at once they cannot. The content is still going to be there. Its not going anywhere. They could literally release a DD along side of a new savage raid series and it would be fine provided people find either to be fun (if the DD dies off like EO did due to being boring that's a whole separate problem).

Arguments like that do not help your neutral stance and instead make you sound dismissive.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

The problem is Yoshi P and the dev team are choosing to cater to raiders and more hardcore players

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I wish this were true lol.. Idk too many "hardcore players" loving what .3 offers.

I also don't subscribe to the NA "casual" "midcore "hc" reductive terminology. These terms are both arbitrary and meaningless

When I was on JP, people irrespctive of their various irl time constraints, still engaged in the content. "Casuals" on JP still do savage, which gets back to my point about how people conflate there's "nothing for me to do" with "I'm choosing to not engage with what's provided."

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Would be nice if they returned to the 3-3.5 month patch release cycle, rather than the 4-4.5 month cycle we've been having since late ShB, frankly.

The volume of released content feels about the same, despite the longer patch cycle.

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The volume is deceptive because the devs took on a monument project of upgrading all of the games assets to higher resolution, adding dye channels, and adding duty support to anything that does not have it. They are essentially remaking the game, in some cases from scratch as some of the high resolution assets were lost during the 1.x to 2.0 conversion.

The duty support conversions are taking the spot where we used to have a second dungeon. All of the graphics and dye upgrades are why they are recycling so many gear items in dungeons. I’m not excusing the devs, just pointing out where all of the content is going with the extra time they are taking.

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Originally Posted by Bryson

When I was on JP, people irrespctive of their various irl time constraints, still engaged in the content. "Casuals" on JP still do savage, which gets back to my point about how people conflate there's "nothing for me to do" with "I'm choosing to not engage with what's provided."

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Why would I engage with something I don't find fun? Just to do something?

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Originally Posted by brinn12

You're still shifting the blame to them. That's your perspective, which is crystal clear. Yoshi-P himself stated that when people don't like Savage, the patches are short lived, which they are looking to change in the future. CBU3 is, in fact, finally taking responsibility for that. The complaints rarely are that the game isn't releasing any content. People obviously want content they are willing to do. They're in a position to complain if they don't get it.

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blame denotes fault, I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. I'm saying, it's a matter of perspective.
7.3 provides crafters/gatherers with content, by your logic, I should be crying because there's "nothing for me to do" sense I don't craft/gather

The complaints actually are that the content being released isn't enough relative to the 19 week DT patch cycles (in the past it was 3 month patch cycles).

Whether something is willing to do something or not is entirely up to them. They didn't force me to be indifferent about cosmic exploration. That was my choice. Just like people weren't forced to ignore ex/savage/ult etc etc. That was their choice. Players have autonomy. Not a fan of x? don't do it.. but you can't simultaenously claim there's nothing to do, when you were presented with stuff to do.

If I offer you food, you can't say "there's nothing to eat."
If SE offers you, ex,savage,ult's,car,ft etc etc, and you say 'I don't do that content." that's not the same thing as "there's no content for you to do."

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

Why would I engage with something I don't find fun? Just to do something?

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Who argued you're obligated to do it? Everything is voluntary. Just like .3 provided crafters/gatheres with content. Do I engage in it? Nope, I don't find it fun. Can I simultaenously claim there is "nothing for me to do." Nope, there is, I'm just choosing to not do it. Not every single piece of content will be for everyone. For every piece of content released, there will be a subset of players that don't engage in it. If you don't raid, yeah you might not like 7.4. That's not on SE though, cause they tell us in advance what the patch providers. Players can decide for themselves, if what's to come is worth the sub or not. People unsub all the time if the patch doesn't provide enough content (or any content at all) that they find interesting.

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Originally Posted by Bryson

Who argued you're obligated to do it? Everythign is voluntary. Just like .3 provided crafters/gatheres with content. Do I engage in it? Nope, I don't find it fun. Can I simultaenously claim there is "nothing for me to do." Nope, there is, I'm just choosing not do. Not every single piece of content will be for everyone. For every piece of content released, there will be a subset of players that don't engage in it. If you don't raid, yeah you might not like 7.4. That's not on SE though, cause they tell us in advance what the patch providers. Players can decide for themselves, if what's to come is worth the sub or not. People unsub all the time if the patch doesn't provide enough content (or any content at all) that they find interesting.

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I would say it is on SE though considering for all through out EW this was a problem and they could (and arguably should) have fixed it. Because I would argue that the issue is less "there's nothing to do in a patch (for me or otherwise)" and more "spreading out the content is no longer satisfactory; please release more at one time".

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

"spreading out the content is no longer satisfactory; please release more at one time".

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I couldn't agree more. We don't get nearly enough content for a 19 week patch cycle. I'd argue they won't spend what they feel they don't have to, because the largest % of active players on NA are msq andies and giga casuals afk'ing in limsa. Bit hard to convince them they need to do more, when the vast majority of NA's playerbase, for one reason or another, don't even engage with what they do provide (as opposed to JP, where casual players actually do the content).

In my head, it's like a child with a plate full of food they haven't touched, unironically arguing they need more. SE could be based and say "finish your food first" then we'll talk about more.

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Originally Posted by Bryson

I couldn't agree more. We don't get nearly enough content for a 19 week patch cycle. I'd argue they won't spend what they feel they don't have to, because the largest % of active players on NA are msq andies and giga casuals afk'ing in limsa. Bit hard to convince them they need to do more, when the vast majority of NA's playerbase, for one reason or another, don't even engage with what they do provide (as opposed to JP, where casual players actually do the content).

In my head, it's like a child with a plate full of food they haven't touched, unironically arguing they need more. SE could be based and say "finish your food first" then we'll talk about more.

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For me personally, to use your analogy its more:

SE gives me a plate full of food. I've eaten it, don't care for it, explain what could be done to improve it. You can give it to other people, but I'm not going to touch it.
They give me another plate full of food. It looks different, has more added to it, but it tastes the same after having it. Now, not only am I disappointed, I feel unheard and that my desires mean nothing.
They give me yet another plate of food. The colors are different, there's even more added to it, but even I can tell its the same damn taste that I hate and aren't getting any meaningful change to. Now I'm angry.

And SE wants to know why I'm throwing a tantrum because they gave me "what I asked for" when in reality - no, you haven't and you refuse to even admit you haven't let alone do something about it.

For other people, this could be longer or shorter but that's essentially how its going. If that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

For me personally, to use your analogy its more:

SE gives me a plate full of food. I've eaten it, don't care for it, explain what could be done to improve it. You can give it to other people, but I'm not going to touch it.
They give me another plate full of food. It looks different, has more added to it, but it tastes the same after having it. Now, not only am I disappointed, I feel unheard and that my desires mean nothing.
They give me yet another plate of food. The colors are different, there's even more added to it, but even I can tell its the same damn taste that I hate and aren't getting any meaningful change to. Now I'm angry.

And SE wants to know why I'm throwing a tantrum because they gave me "what I asked for" when in reality - no, you haven't and you refuse to even admit you haven't let alone do something about it.

For other people, this could be longer or shorter but that's essentially how its going. If that makes sense.

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If "eaten it" means cleared the content and they still have critiques regardin what they've actually engage in, yes I'm all for that.

What I don't care for, is people who haven't eaten, tasted, tried etc etc, and still complain.