The 7.2 Frontline changes are EXCELLENT

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Originally Posted by Teno

If anything it feels more rewarding now to try and sync with teammates and not go for the "ks". More freedom to coordinate with people you recognize in an fl since you're not competing for bh as much.

Though it means that every bard and their mother is bh5 now.

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Yeah in one match yesterday a bard's couerl kitten in their house got BH5 and beat the snot out of a black hayate.

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Originally Posted by gidsonBrand

From what little we've seen in preliminary patch notes and role actions, Frontlines is getting a ton of new options for aggressive play.

When Dragoon, Dark Knight, and all of the other "good" classes got their damage nerfed, we received no alternative options for offense. People have still found a way to make impactful plays, but it's just the same thing with a bit less oomph.

These new role actions, especially Rampage and Dervish, seem to promote new ways of attacking with and supporting your team. Combine that with the Battle High changes that allow the buff to spread more evenly across your team, and I think the devs are finally understanding that offense and aggression keep the game engaging.

I hope that the unseen role actions also encourage people to coordinate attacks with a group, and that Secure turns out to be a great place to play with my friends.

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We found a way to make a few job works together, it is way more fun than it used to be in HW, SB, ShB and EW, this is peak FL we have right now.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

My main worry is that when the zerg splits, an enemy on full zerg just annihilates the smaller numbers. I think this will only get magnified as premades find the ideal stack.

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Already been found, sort of. Me and my friends did a simple 2 Dragoon + Dark Knight + Dancer comp last night. It was great for mid-fights, especially on the Tower and Stack mechanics.

The best part though, was fighting for the side objectives. Baited a ton of people onto the objective with Dark Knight LB, then Dancer LB + 2 Dragoons managed to net us 10ish kills thanks to the Sheer Will buff.
Which was awesome, seeing as how before a 4v10 would have just been GG for us. Now we can actually fight back if we have a plan.

Hard agree, I only did some yesterday to try new Secure and it's giga fun. Changing it from boring "kill adds mid" to playing DDR WHILE fighting off two alliances was an inspired change and with how it works you're more incentivised to go in which solves the issue people had with being slapped off the cliff by MCH/MNK constantly. The jump pads and on-screen timer completely mitigate the excuse people had for ignoring mid in the old version and the new actions are super fun to use. They cooked with this update for PvP.

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Originally Posted by gidsonBrand

Already been found, sort of. Me and my friends did a simple 2 Dragoon + Dark Knight + Dancer comp last night. It was great for mid-fights, especially on the Tower and Stack mechanics.

The best part though, was fighting for the side objectives. Baited a ton of people onto the objective with Dark Knight LB, then Dancer LB + 2 Dragoons managed to net us 10ish kills thanks to the Sheer Will buff.
Which was awesome, seeing as how before a 4v10 would have just been GG for us. Now we can actually fight back if we have a plan.

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How do Healers feel about the role actions? I tried stoneskin my first go but having a shield doesn't feel that impactful but it is probably really hard to gauge the impact it has. Diabrosis seems like it will always be useful. Not too sure about the Haelan one but I don't think I'll be using it.

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Originally Posted by St0rmy

How do Healers feel about the role actions? I tried stoneskin my first go but having a shield doesn't feel that impactful but it is probably really hard to gauge the impact it has. Diabrosis seems like it will always be useful. Not too sure about the Haelan one but I don't think I'll be using it.

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Ha, was about to ask the same question. Diabrosis is really good, but I'm wondering on some maps if Stoneskin adding survivability might better benefit the team.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Ha, was about to ask the same question. Diabrosis is really good, but I'm wondering on some maps if Stoneskin adding survivability might better benefit the team.

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Stoneskin benefits the DRK, at least. Any extra Shielding your front liners can get is always a good thing, but I think Diabrosis is better.

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Originally Posted by St0rmy

How do Healers feel about the role actions? I tried stoneskin my first go but having a shield doesn't feel that impactful but it is probably really hard to gauge the impact it has. Diabrosis seems like it will always be useful. Not too sure about the Haelan one but I don't think I'll be using it.

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Harlan is great for sage since it currently lacks a spammable punchy heal. It uses your MP and has no cooldown, so if you're in a position on the backline and see an ally getting ganged up on, it allows you to buy them time to make their escape.

Diabrosis with scholar is very powerful. It compliments scholars existing aoe dot. Since sch has two stacks of adlo and great aoe healing, I don't think Haelan or Stoneskin fill any gap in their toolkit, but I haven't tried them.

My plan is to try Stoneskin for White Mage because it lacks group shield. I tend to play whm as a super feisty hit and run so don't know if diabrosis would be compatible with how I play the job.

Much needed change, feel rewarding for participating now for battle high gains instead of people just getting last hits and not spreading BH out, people also actually die instead of seeing 20 people whale on a melee or tank like in EW for 30 seconds to kill them and seeing nothing die.