Can we please keep complaining about everything?

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I don't really want HW balance.

Jobs being fun and unique doesn't mean "revert to HW" Theirs some things about HW that sound cool. But I think we should be looking for something that's fun but doesn't depend on old balance ideals because those were pretty flawed (not as bad as current balance).

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I have my issues with what I hear of HW balance, which is part of why I asked for those devs rather than that balance, the HW/SB dev team at least from what I hear here appeared to care about the game and how people felt about it, plus the evidence of HW and SB content tells me they made better stuff in general than the current team does.

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

I have my issues with what I hear of HW balance, which is part of why I asked for those devs rather than that balance, the HW/SB dev team at least from what I hear here appeared to care about the game and how people felt about it, plus the evidence of HW and SB content tells me they made better stuff in general than the current team does.

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I'd also take HW balance over the lack of balance we have now. (just to add because my post might come across the wrong way)

But yeah I just want them to try different things at this point because seriously the balance has become so safe it's genuinely hurting the game and becoming a balance issue in itself. The issue I see is that they take zero risks with job design

Guys PLEASE keep complaining about the updated player models, CBU3 made more adjustments to player models in 7.2 and we're getting ANOTHER free fantasia that lasts until 7.3.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I'd also take HW balance over the lack of balance we have now. (just to add because my post might come across the wrong way)

But yeah I just want them to try different things at this point because seriously the balance has become so safe it's genuinely hurting the game and becoming a balance issue in itself. The issue I see is that they take zero risks with job design

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Current balance isn't better anyway.
1) PCT is blowing everything else out of the water much like NIN did back then.
2) Everything that's not melee DPS or BLM/PCT is trash tier and forgotten by the devs.

So I'm not sure the arguments about balance having actually been streamlined are even sound in the first place...

My only complaint is the skill ceiling. Stop lowering every ceiling you see.
Even then, I'm not giving this as much attention as I would have a long time ago. The changes are intentional, and they are asked for by a certain group of people. So there's no arguing with the devs or blaming them. for anything.

Healers need to actually matter in content that isn't the highest difficulty. Damage also needs to be more common and unavoidable.

I had a run of the lvl100 fieldstation dungeon the other day, where it did not matter that we didn't have a tank (he kept disconnecting) for the first boss, because the thing was too busy casting easily avoidable big attacks instead of hiting anyone. That's current content, highest level dungeon you can run, and we weren't even threatened as 2 dps 1 healer. That is beyond dumb to me.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

The changes are intentional, and they are asked for by a certain group of people. So there's no arguing with the devs or blaming them. for anything.

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You say this but I've yet to see any evidence of anyone asking for the VPR change a month into 7.0 and nobody I can see wants the BLM changes, save for the devs. It most certainly isn't the raiding community, everyone I see and talk to from that group wants jobs to be interesting.

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

You say this but I've yet to see any evidence of anyone asking for the VPR change a month into 7.0 and nobody I can see wants the BLM changes, save for the devs. It most certainly isn't the raiding community, everyone I see and talk to from that group wants jobs to be interesting.

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It's called inconvenience.

Designing difficult encounters? Inconvenience, lets remove it.
Job rotations on my spreadsheet not doing well? Inconvenience, lets remove it.
Difficulty/stress in my expert roulette? Inconvenience, lets remove it.
Our statistics show a certain type of players doing/using xyz? Inconvenience, lets remove it.
Our players engaging in a way we don't want them to? Inconvenience, lets remove it.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

It's called inconvenience.

Designing difficult encounters? Inconvenience, lets remove it.
Job rotations on my spreadsheet not doing well? Inconvenience, lets remove it.
Difficulty/stress in my expert roulette? Inconvenience, lets remove it.
Our statistics show a certain type of players doing/using xyz? Inconvenience, lets remove it.
Our players engaging in a way we don't want them to? Inconvenience, lets remove it.

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As much as it inconveniences the players to actually engage in content and not just deathroll their way through it, I think that the developers are inconvenienced by how many players are saying everything is fine or this job is too hard to play, I'm gonna go play PCT or SMN because they want instant gratification.

That's a problem with the current gaming community: All it is is that they want to feel good about what they're doing the moment it happens, and when it doesn't? They begin bashing without any constructive criticism. You can look at it ANYWHERE you go - other RPGs, MMOs, or even just outside of those genres in general; you'll run into it more often than not, even when actively trying to avoid it - and it's bleeding into dev philosophy because it helps the money go up in the current market(to people's dismay when we start complaining about content being waited on so long or that "there's no content" in the game because some guy bumrushed through it and doesn't consider other alternatives than combat).

Hell yeah I love complaining, thats how you get things changed. You guys should help me complain about open world content being updated/added. Especially Fates and Leves overhaul.