Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Oh, hardly. There's people that insist PCT is "fine" and BLM can go kick rocks, people who insist Dawntrail was "great" and anyone complaining was just a doomer, and there's people now who bring up the Curls specifically to try and justify the new hairstyle being locked behind Chaotic because "you already got one, you don't deserve another".

That the harder content is just asset flips should be a major complaint in of its self, even the mechanics of Chaotic are supposedly not new, they're just faster and hit harder. So one side gets to chomp at air and the either gets easily turned over slop? Maybe the hardcore crowd would do better making complaints of their own instead of crowing because clearly Square-Enix doesn't respect THEIR money either.

Chaotic was supposed to be a different story because the content was "expected" to be an olive branch of playing styles for shared rewards and turned into bloody thorns instead, and that's after half a year of casual players getting nothing in the meantime. Frickin' hell, it's not even a "raid" it's just another boss room, so even the ones who can manage the content got short-changed something fierce.

And no, it's absolutely malicious coming from parts of the hardcore playerbase, right down to being hopeful that casuals quit in droves over the expansion's shift, they WANT them to leave, including thinking the game will be better for it. They're literally in the topic.

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What shift?

Some of you have very short memories.

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...b1db9f007372c/
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...86abb201c2437/

Endwalker was near identical in terms of the content that has been released with Dawntrail so far. There really hadn't been much besides 3 extreme trials, a savage tier, an ultimate, the first alliance raid, the intro Hildebrand quest, the first beast tribe and custom delivery.

The problem is not that there has been some kind of shift away from casual content. The problem is that the release schedule is incredibly predictable and formulaic and there's never anything to do for the entire first year of an expansion.

If people perceive there to be less casual content in Dawntrail so far compared to previous expansions, it's because they've finally run out of old content to plug the gap at the start of an expansion.

I hate to say this but Yoahi-P is becoming increasingly out of touch with the majority of the player base.
He is turning into Ion Hazzizkostas right before our eyes and we all know how well that ended for WoW.
How did Yoshi-P not see this us vs them, casual vs hardcore, coming? This could all have been avoided if they made an 24 ex version of the raid along side the savage version (like what they did with criterion)

The numbers from LuckyBancho hopefully will be a wake up call for SE. They might not notice our discontent, but that hit to their bottom line will surely be noticed by the higher ups. We can’t trust Yoshi-P anymore to always do right by us, so I hope Mr. Takashi gets involved and nudges CBU3 back on track.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I've only been playing for two years, I can't exactly have memories for a time I wasn't here for.

Though none of what else you said helps matters, because it just means I was outright lied to regarding not only the cadence of content and how much of it is actually casual (I would not count Extremes or Field Operations for example as some do), but it means you and others even MORE reason to be upset because I'm only going through one badly paced expansion when some of you have gone through several for a DECADE.

How the hell do the rest of you people put up with this? How did this game even last until now?

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The few times I've seen you talk you have mentioned being around Stormblood, so I don't really know why you of anybody is complaining about a lack of casual content

You should have plenty to be doing, unless you purely do MSQ and nothing else

Personally, I'd consider Field Operations casual content, and that's something that I genuinely enjoy. What you basically do is complete fates and you have some extra things thrown in

Some bosses can prove a challenge, but it becomes much easier once you learn the mechanics. I don't know why people seem so allergic to dying in the video game like it's SAO

So I'm genuinely curious what you find casual

I'm really not sure someone who struggles with alliance raids and MSQ duties should be weighing in on the amount/quality of casual content this game has.
It's a terribly low bar to set and not fun for the majority of players, to target such a unique outlier.
I say this as someone who has a special needs player in my FC and had to help them complete the Feo Ul typing MSQ because that was their limit of difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I've only been playing for two years, I can't exactly have memories for a time I wasn't here for.

Though none of what else you said helps matters, because it just means I was outright lied to regarding not only the cadence of content and how much of it is actually casual (I would not count Extremes or Field Operations for example as some do), but it means you and others even MORE reason to be upset because I'm only going through one badly paced expansion when some of you have gone through several for a DECADE.

How the hell do the rest of you people put up with this? How did this game even last until now?

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There will be more casual content but it comes later in the expansion.

There was a better mix of content earlier in the expansion prior to Shb. That was the turning point when things started getting pushed really far back into the expansion release cycle but it was always at least somewhat like this.

There are a few reasons that people have put up with it until now. For one, Yoshi-P and the rest of the team accrued a huge amount of goodwill from the community due to the dedication and hard work that was put in to turn things around after 1.0. People were generally willing to give them a pass when they slipped up because they were trying their best and everyone makes mistakes.

The game was also generally a lot more complex and things were more time consuming in the early days, so content tended to last a bit longer.

Stormblood was also an absolutely stacked expansion. Between things like the ultimate raids and Eureka there was a huge amount of content that people didn't finish at the time and they had that to go back to when they had less to do later. Heavensward was kind of rough and Stormblood turned things around and then some. That expansion was a huge W for the devs.

Shadowbringers was released during COVID, so they got a pass for the entirety of that expansion because everyone knew that COVID will have certainly affected development and things would obviously get better again later.

Endwalker was when people really started to become a bit more critical. They couldn't really use COVID as an excuse any more and people were starting to run out of old content to go back to when the new content didn't last.

Now we're in Dawntrail and the people who have been around for a while are basically all out of old content to plug the gaps with and all that goodwill is starting to fade as people feel like they've been playing Shb for the best part of 6 years.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

I feel like it's still a good term for anyone who left WoW sometime in the 2019-2021 period.

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Nah, not really. Time for new parlance, because calling someone a WoW refugee is extremely cringe-inducing.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

There will be more casual content but it comes later in the expansion.

There was a better mix of content earlier in the expansion prior to Shb. That was the turning point when things started getting pushed really far back into the expansion release cycle but it was always at least somewhat like this.

There are a few reasons that people have put up with it until now. For one, Yoshi-P and the rest of the team accrued a huge amount of goodwill from the community due to the dedication and hard work that was put in to turn things around after 1.0. People were generally willing to give them a pass when they slipped up because they were trying their best and everyone makes mistakes.

The game was also generally a lot more complex and things were more time consuming in the early days, so content tended to last a bit longer.

Stormblood was also an absolutely stacked expansion. Between things like the ultimate raids and Eureka there was a huge amount of content that people didn't finish at the time and they had that to go back to when they had less to do later.

Shadowbringers was released during COVID, so they got a pass for the entirety of that expansion because everyone knew that COVID will have certainly affected development and things would obviously get better again later.

Endwalker was when people really started to become a bit more critical. They couldn't really use COVID as an excuse any more and people were starting to run out of old content to go back to when the new content didn't last.

Now we're in Dawntrail and the people who have been around for a while are basically all out of old content to plug the gaps with and all that goodwill is starting to fade as people feel like they've been playing Shb for the best part of 6 years.

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Shadowbringers really was the best expansion, honestly. My only complaint in the entirity of it was that Bozja relied too much on gating the fun stuff behind FATE grinding.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

What shift?

Some of you have very short memories.

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...b1db9f007372c/
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...86abb201c2437/

Endwalker was near identical in terms of the content that has been released with Dawntrail so far. There really hadn't been much besides 3 extreme trials, a savage tier, an ultimate, the first alliance raid, the intro Hildebrand quest, the first beast tribe and custom delivery.

The problem is not that there has been some kind of shift away from casual content. The problem is that the release schedule is incredibly predictable and formulaic and there's never anything to do for the entire first year of an expansion.

If people perceive there to be less casual content in Dawntrail so far compared to previous expansions, it's because they've finally run out of old content to plug the gap at the start of an expansion.

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Perhaps so, but the addition of Chaotic raid, right after FRU, made us even more acutely aware of the lack of casual content, while the hardcores are eating well this patch with back to back hard raids. That is the source of all the resentment. Had they released the Chaotic with a more accessible midcore version, this might have been avoided. Or they could have released the Chaotic after the new exploratory zone when the casuals are busy. Or they could have released the exploratory zone sooner.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Oh, hardly. There's people that insist PCT is "fine" and BLM can go kick rocks, people who insist Dawntrail was "great" and anyone complaining was just a doomer, and there's people now who bring up the Curls specifically to try and justify the new hairstyle being locked behind Chaotic because "you already got one, you don't deserve another".

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

And no, it's absolutely malicious coming from parts of the hardcore playerbase, right down to being hopeful that casuals quit in droves over the expansion's shift, they WANT them to leave, including thinking the game will be better for it. They're literally in the topic.

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And there are people who claim that the earth is flat. But, this does not objectively make the planet flat.

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Originally Posted by NamiRocket

Nah, not really. Time for new parlance, because calling someone a WoW refugee is extremely cringe-inducing.

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Well, like, that's just your opinion man.

I still consider myself a WoW refugee.