Dailies are complete trash

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Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito

So my appreciation of the quickness of FFXIV's daily quests makes me lazy? I didn't know saving time was a bad thing, but here we are.

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Daily quests can have substance while still being quick, an extra two minutes of quests so they aren't just "talk to npc" is not going to immensely hurt you or your schedules but is IS hurting the quality of the game and its worldbuilding. But go ahead and "appreciate" quickness and pretend you don't mean SE's laziness.

what are you guys even doing after 5min evening filling tribe quests?

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

Come on.... you can do better this crap, I did 2 dailies that took less then a minute to do, Talk to a npc and pick up a bag off the floor...
WTF? How is this engaging? I cant believe it took them this long for this patch and thats all we get.. im so close on unsubbing from the game

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If i remember correctly when the dailies were more involved... people complained.

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Originally Posted by ArchlordPie

I typically have 10-15 minutes between being ready for work in the morning and actually needing to leave for work. I cannot do a roulette in this time because most of them take longer than that nowadays, and if I'm leveling a DPS, I will still be in queue when I need to leave for work. I use this time to do society quests to get a quick boost of XP on DPS jobs and crafters, and I save roulettes for after work when I have more spare time.

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You could get up 15 to 30 minutes earlier to do a roulette if you want. ^^

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Originally Posted by lucatracy

Daily quests can have substance while still being quick, an extra two minutes of quests so they aren't just "talk to npc" is not going to immensely hurt you or your schedules but is IS hurting the quality of the game and its worldbuilding. But go ahead and "appreciate" quickness and pretend you don't mean SE's laziness.

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When I'm reading in the forums I also see people for whom content can't be over fast enough. They don't want to be bothered with content just one second longer than necessary. And if a dungeon run takes longer than 12 to 15 minutes it's already annoying to them.

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Originally Posted by Schan

If i remember correctly when the dailies were more involved... people complained.

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Yep, they sure did. Like a lot of things that people currently complain about in the game, this was self-inflicted.

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Originally Posted by Schan

If i remember correctly when the dailies were more involved... people complained.

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I think Realm reborn had the best dailies because it was more involved

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Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito

Hey it's not my fault world quests were always dull. At least SE just cuts to the chase.

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I'm not here to crap on you. I don't think its yours or anyone else who feels this ways fault except the handful that get fully get it and happen to really like repeatedly doing nothing of substance.

They have conditioned their audience to be okay with this. For instance, saying "world quests were always dull" isn't a good argument to make them worse is it? Shouldn't they have been good from the start? Shouldn't they be actively trying to make them better?

Here's an idea. Give us less dailies, make content slightly longer, yet more engaging, and make the rewards equate to the difference. Bad game design is NOT an inherent fact of MMO's. Its something people have been sold long enough to where they think that's the case because they don't know any better. Some might not even know that there are better examples out there.

We talk about quest design, and this business unit's use of the same thing in FF16, but compare that to the same "old guard's" game FF7R2, and its a night and day difference. This is the same old guard that Yoshi P. always says needs to retire. And i'll go further, if anyone here has played FFXI, their own IP, they know that there are actually some REALLY well designed quests in that game that they could pull ideas from. Ideas from different teams entirely. Things that AREN'T complicated or that take forever, but make things feel more engaging.

But idk, who am I convincing? If people like clicking NPC's and think its engaging then maybe I should take up game design.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

This game has enough dailies/weeklies to churn through already.

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Okay, I'll bite. What dailies/weeklies are you talking about? Outside of raid lockout and tome caps (which many people don't even care about), I can't think of a single daily/weekly to "churn through" besides maybe 5 minutes worth of beast tribes societies and custom deliveries.

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Originally Posted by Schan

If i remember correctly when the dailies were more involved... people complained.

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People complained about the structure of HW’s areas being annoying enough that it made content in them unfun not that more involved dailies were bad

People used to hate the vanu not because the actual tribe quests were bad but because the sea of clouds is pointlessly large and both its aetherytes are in the bottom left corner of the map

Quests like the vathh where they slowly scaled beyond their home base based on tribal level and they offered you a good mix of everything people were totally fine with

The quest chain in Lydha Lran was pretty engaging with some okay combat. Dunno if people whined about it taking too long. If they did, welcome to "Do you have business with me?"