Stop making Ultimate, Savage and Unreal content

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I do not have interest in Ultimate, Savage, or anything like that. I find the content is a great way to be frustrated and waste my time achieving nothing. The chance of banging your head against the wall for a long period of time, ESPECIALLY if you PUG is exceptionally high. If I told you that you need to invest 40 hours for the chance to maybe get an item you're interested in you'd probably be like "hah, that's a no from me". This is how I see that type of content.

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Nothing that you obtain in a game is necessary. The gain is very simple and that's enjoyment.

As for getting the items for yourself, sure. it's very possible with the new lvl and ilvl. You still have to put in minimum effort to clear it and enjoy it. If you want a p2w model, there are a lot of alternatives out there to cater to you.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Nothing that you obtain in a game is necessary. The gain is very simple and that's enjoyment.

As for getting the items for yourself, sure. it's very possible with the new lvl and ilvl. You still have to put in minimum effort to clear it and enjoy it. If you want a p2w model, there are a lot of alternatives out there to cater to you.

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Is this like a fire notes version of what I wrote with minor additions? I don't see anything here that inherently disagrees, just some things that I don't think are relevant to the conversation like P2W.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Is this like a fire notes version of what I wrote with minor additions? I don't see anything here that inherently disagrees, just some things that I don't think are relevant to the conversation like P2W.

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You want convenience for something that requires some effort. The core mechanic of a p2w model is creating convenience for something that you find inconvenient.

So, even if you don't really enjoy the type of content you can still find ways to get carried. You wouldn't be the first nor the last that gets carried in end content, being UR, Savage or even Ultimates just for bragging/glam reasons.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

You want convenience for something that requires some effort. The core mechanic of a p2w model is creating convenience for something that you find inconvenient.

So, even if you don't really enjoy the type of content you can still find ways to get carried. You wouldn't be the first nor the last that gets carried in end content, being UR, Savage or even Ultimates just for bragging/glam reasons.

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I dont think you read the whole post. I didn't disrupt the system that we already have, in fact technically asked for one system to be slightly less easy.

I'm not sure the problem is that they're making this content. The problem is the resources it seems to take to develop it vs what the game arguably needs to satisfy more than just the hardcore fans right now.

Ex/savage is done by a good chunk of the active playerbase, why tf should they stop making the few scraps of actual content ??? I'll be blunt, people talk too much out of their bum while discussing savage, content which they don't even engage with to begin with so how would they know.

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Originally Posted by Teno

Ex/savage is done by a good chunk of the active playerbase, why tf should they stop making the few scraps of actual content ??? I'll be blunt, people talk too much out of their bum while discussing savage, content which they don't even engage with to begin with so how would they know.

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Where's the data for this? Do Ultimates and Savage have more player participation than normal or alliance raids? What about exploratory zones? I'd like to see the metrics along with use of third party tools.

Of course the team and you will not produce them, because you want a game catering to a small % of players. You really don't have to argue about it. This team is going to keep catering to you regardless of logic or even revenue.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Where's the data for this? Do Ultimates and Savage have more player participation than normal or alliance raids? What about exploratory zones? I'd like to see the metrics along with use of third party tools.

Of course the team and you will not produce them, because you want a game catering to a small % of players. You really don't have to argue about it. This team is going to keep catering to you regardless of logic or even revenue.

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For players I think we have to go off who has the achievements public, which I think it's like 35% for EX, 20% for savage and under 10% for ultimate.
SE can see the full numbers. Those pieces of content definitely are not wide appeal content and are increasingly niche as you go up in difficulty. I do find it strange they center as much as they do around that niche, but maybe they think casual players want glam updates instead of dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Where's the data for this? Do Ultimates and Savage have more player participation than normal or alliance raids? What about exploratory zones? I'd like to see the metrics along with use of third party tools.

Of course the team and you will not produce them, because you want a game catering to a small % of players. You really don't have to argue about it. This team is going to keep catering to you regardless of logic or even revenue.

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There's no metric that's the point, you saying it's only for a small portion of the playerbase is just as bs.
Still, you could even just take a look at people's gear in every form of content, and you'll see plenty of savage one. You know, if you want to know who to buff as an ast or who is likely to perform better, or even fail..

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Originally Posted by Teno

There's no metric that's the point, you saying it's only for a small portion of the playerbase is just as bs.
Still, you could even just take a look at people's gear in every form of content, and you'll see plenty of savage one. You know, if you want to know who to buff as an ast or who is likely to perform better.

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I mean there is Lucky Bancho, which uses achievements, and is probably what VerdeLuck is referring to. From my memory it was like 10 - 20% for Savage and 3 - 10% for ultimate, range given different servers. Equally basically what they said when put together.