Ideas for Healer Rework.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

So many people tend to complain about SCH's kit fighting itself, but I find that to be part of the charm.

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When Energy Drain's used the intended way (spending leftover flows shortly before aetherflow comes off cooldown) it rewards good healing with a little bit of bonus damage and it feels great.

I think too many people have been on the receiving end of a SCH who spends all their flows on it. They really shouldn't be taking away options from a job in an attempt to eliminate bad players though

...well, currently intended? It used to be where Aetherflow's mp recovery was in ShB and also acted to make up for dps lost from having to use RuinII for movement/weaving, which I thought made the kit fit together really well

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yeah instead we currently have threads about the tank holding the party hostage that’s soooooooo much better balance isn’t it. I love the party being so afraid to rely on me that instead we all have to rely on the benevolence of the tank if we die

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So you want to change it from tank to healer? So if a healer makes a mistake in 91-100 content and dies it's a mandatory wipe? You aren't in every party and your skills aren't representative of what's possible in DF.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

you are exactly who they shouldn’t be designing jobs around. Healing is the core tenant of the healers. Why are you playing healers if you don’t think healing more than the paltry healing we currently do won’t make your experience better

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In this game healers deal damage and SE expects healer to glare bot. I didn't made the rule and I'm not responsible with job design of this game. I also tend to play whatever job is in "need".

If YoshiP won't go out during Live Letter saying they are shifting their job design, content philosophy from what they have now you won't get anything you want. If they say they are fine with current direction then the only thing we could bargain are better buttons that look and feel better to play.

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Originally Posted by sharknado

So you want to change it from tank to healer? So if a healer makes a mistake in 91-100 content and dies it's a mandatory wipe? You aren't in every party and your skills aren't representative of what's possible in DF.



In this game healers deal damage and SE expects healer to glare bot. I didn't made the rule and I'm not responsible with job design of this game. I also tend to play whatever job is in "need".

If YoshiP won't go out during Live Letter they are shifting their job design, content philosophy from what they have now you won't get anything you want. If they say they are fine with current direction then the only thing we could bargain are better buttons that look and feel better to play.

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Are you physically capable of holding an argument that doesn’t just immediately devolve into literally the most intense hyperbole that the situation can possibly call for?

Not having the tank do the entirety of the healers job for them while also have 600% eHP and doing more damage would not immediately devolve into the healer dying being a mandatory wipe because for the 19274029510682859069268386th time your useless hyperbole is disproven by the fact that we used to have this and the game didn’t come crashing down around us.

Yes thank you I know how healer design works, I’m saying if the prospect of healing more (regardless of if it’ll be introduced or not) doesn’t excite you then why would you ever play a healer. A healer using broil constantly is playing to how the game is designed, a healer who intentionally wants to barely heal and offload half the responsibility to the tank isn’t a healer. Improvement of the DPS rotation is completely exogenous to this

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Not having the tank do the entirety of the healers job for them while also have 600% eHP and doing more damage would not immediately devolve into the healer dying being a mandatory wipe because for the 19274029510682859069268386th time your useless hyperbole is disproven by the fact that we used to have this and the game didn’t come crashing down around us.

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They spent entirety of Endwalker making the game compatible with single player FF players to scared of multiplayer games... allegedly. They changed how healing works since few expansions and now it's expected DRK will get more self-healing to bring it inline with other tanks rather than SE going through jobs, existing and future content and ripping self-heal from tanks. The game had a lot of things but now they are gone and we have no info that it's going to change by 360 in 2 years at 8.0.

If you want to influence their decision don't play a healer and convince others not to (#healerstrike) or unsubscribe. If you are paying and complaining they don't care because they already have your money and they know you are addicted to this game. Blizzard had the same attitude until people actually quit in Shandowlands which tanked their income during that expansion, under-performend Dragonflight preorders and post-launch even with good reception of the expansion. Lack of cash led them to provide what players wanted and trying out more new things to bring new and old players into the game. We got copy-pasta templated expansion for the 3rd time with zero innovation for the next 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Connor

A valid and Interesting point!

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I can definitely understand that notion. But I think some misunderstanding is present in this.

The different fairies are more of a 'Bard Song' than a fairy. Eos is there like how your Carbuncle is there as SMN, and is summoned / dismissed as you summon these other fairies.

Honestly, I think this could work if SE wanted to make a dedicated rotation healer. Or even a 'totem master' type Healer.
The plan would kinda be at least in my understanding of how my friend had worded it was that your Summon Seraph would kinda turn into a 'Radiant Finale' of sorts.

I can give you better rework Idea and not even trolling....how about changes that the community stop crying about. Seriously when healer had stuff to do you all cried it was to busy. Forum so confused I swear its no wonder ppl still stuck on M1s in party finder...

How about viper change cause ppl couldn't be bothered to maintain dots. Maybe stop being lazy first and actually learn to ply before suggesting changes you would later regrett

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Originally Posted by Karowolus

I can definitely understand that notion. But I think some misunderstanding is present in this.

The different fairies are more of a 'Bard Song' than a fairy. Eos is there like how your Carbuncle is there as SMN, and is summoned / dismissed as you summon these other fairies.

Honestly, I think this could work if SE wanted to make a dedicated rotation healer. Or even a 'totem master' type Healer.
The plan would kinda be at least in my understanding of how my friend had worded it was that your Summon Seraph would kinda turn into a 'Radiant Finale' of sorts.

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I think I get it now. So like rotating between the fairies then culminating in a ‘something’ after you’ve been through each one? I still think it’d be a really cool concept for another healer.

Like a Geomancer type class that uses totems to create field effects for healing/damage effects, with the ‘terrain’ changing their abilities in some way. They could like, detonate the totems for burst healing or damage or have them pulse regens/dot for sustained healing/damage. Then after using a certain combination or amount of totems or w/e you could get a ‘super totem’ which gives access to an Afflatus Misery style burst attack. Maybe it could have additional effects like reducing damage taken/ increasing damage dealt to anyone in the area

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

I can give you better rework Idea and not even trolling....how about changes that the community stop crying about. Seriously when healer had stuff to do you all cried it was to busy. Forum so confused I swear its no wonder ppl still stuck on M1s in party finder...

How about viper change cause ppl couldn't be bothered to maintain dots. Maybe stop being lazy first and actually learn to ply before suggesting changes you would later regrett

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All these are are ideas that would be cool in design and in concept and that fit the lore of the classes.

This isn't a 'Change the job plz squeenix' thread because we know they wouldn't because they cater to the majority. As previously mentioned in the thread, they decided to test healers as if it were a lower skill player, playing them and actually changed their tester purely because they had done some extreme trials. This thread itself is just to share a fun concept.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I think I get it now. So like rotating between the fairies then culminating in a ‘something’ after you’ve been through each one? I still think it’d be a really cool concept for another healer.

Like a Geomancer type class that uses totems to create field effects for healing/damage effects, with the ‘terrain’ changing their abilities in some way. They could like, detonate the totems for burst healing or damage or have them pulse regens/dot for sustained healing/damage. Then after using a certain combination or amount of totems or w/e you could get a ‘super totem’ which gives access to an Afflatus Misery style burst attack. Maybe it could have additional effects like reducing damage taken/ increasing damage dealt to anyone in the area

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Oooh, Geomancer as a healer could be fun... The redesign to SCH was to have them play with areas and almost designate tactical areas in raids with their 'Banners'. I do think we could lean more into the idea of alternate means of damage mitigation at some point, like turning a big burst of damage into a DoT. But it would be tricky to balance I imagine.