Time travel can save dt.

I'm going back to Elpis then, I'll definitely make sure 7.0 never happens

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Originally Posted by Seiki_Kisaki

I'm usually against Time Traveling being used as a plot device, but... G'Raha was right, this tragedy must be undone.

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Nah. We already used Time Travel twice in the game, and if we make time travel easy, we basically open the box of "Why not just go back to Elpis and undo existence."

The rules of time travel established in this game is closed-loop hard-predestination paradox. Predestination "We gave Venat the idea to become Hydalynn in the first place, in turn Hydalynn gave us the power to surpass mortal limits when we come into existence (a la 1.0) and (wake up on that ship to La Noscea/Enter Ul'dah/Wander aimlessly through the twelveswood)"

The only wiggle room we have for time travel is re-introducing story beats from 1.0 via the echo migrane. If the developers want a straight up free-content idea, literately send WoL back to the 1.0 opening cutscene (We've seen the ship cutscene used twice, so we KNOW they can do this) and so what we did with Venat with Thancred, Y'shtola and Yda&Papalymo. Go back and BTTF ourselves by "steering" our 1.0 selves up to the battle of battle of carteneau. They can side-step the changes in the overworld by revisiting only the parts that involve plot beats, and using the echo to go back and forth (Eg having to go to the location in the present, use the echo migrane time travel and then replay the 1.0 story beat.)

Now, how much of 1.0 do I think we really need to see? Well all the holes in the story that keep being referenced, but non-legacy players have no idea what is being referred to.
edit: The level 60 Alchemist plotline is a reference back to the 1.0 Ul'dah starting path.

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

Yeah, but it's okay for super dumb anime stuff to happen when you're having fun with it. Suspend your disbelief.

The problem is that the story fundamentally is not fun. You could not pay me money to watch this, even if I'm stuck on an airplane with no other stimulation.

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The story is not fun to you, just like all the nonsense with Metion was not fun for me.

We stop her voyage. woke lamat doesn't make it to eorzea she is shipwrecked sealed in a coffin on the bottom of the ocean like DIO.
Bonus is solution 9 won't be on the source with its dumb prawn npc denizens.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmLbozjc1_I

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Originally Posted by Shialan

Okay, then let us also time travel to never meet the freaking twins. Or make them someone else who doesn't selfinsert themselves into being our bestest goodest friend (Alisae). Make Lyse not be Lyse but Yda. Either delete Zenos from the whole of the story or make it so he actually changes his mind when Alisae talks to him in Garlemald and absolutely DELETE him self inserting to be the end of Endwalker.

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I agree with everything but the deleting of Zenos. Best friend <3

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Nah. We already used Time Travel twice in the game, and if we make time travel easy, we basically open the box of "Why not just go back to Elpis and undo existence."

The rules of time travel established in this game is closed-loop hard-predestination paradox. Predestination "We gave Venat the idea to become Hydalynn in the first place, in turn Hydalynn gave us the power to surpass mortal limits when we come into existence (a la 1.0) and (wake up on that ship to La Noscea/Enter Ul'dah/Wander aimlessly through the twelveswood)"

The only wiggle room we have for time travel is re-introducing story beats from 1.0 via the echo migrane. If the developers want a straight up free-content idea, literately send WoL back to the 1.0 opening cutscene (We've seen the ship cutscene used twice, so we KNOW they can do this) and so what we did with Venat with Thancred, Y'shtola and Yda&Papalymo. Go back and BTTF ourselves by "steering" our 1.0 selves up to the battle of battle of carteneau. They can side-step the changes in the overworld by revisiting only the parts that involve plot beats, and using the echo to go back and forth (Eg having to go to the location in the present, use the echo migrane time travel and then replay the 1.0 story beat.)

Now, how much of 1.0 do I think we really need to see? Well all the holes in the story that keep being referenced, but non-legacy players have no idea what is being referred to.
edit: The level 60 Alchemist plotline is a reference back to the 1.0 Ul'dah starting path.

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Unfortunately the game have dabbled in both notable time-travel patterns, closed-loop (elpis/alexander) and alternate timelines (crystal tower) so anything goes by now.

Future timeline with Graha, that we died in Still Exists

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Unfortunately the game have dabbled in both notable time-travel patterns, closed-loop (elpis/alexander) and alternate timelines (crystal tower) so anything goes by now.

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The thing is, the reflections are "alternative" timelines already. The CT exists in the source and the first, in the exact same place on the map. We basically (or retroconn'd) the 1.0 opening cutscene and characters as having "always" been the first. The rest of the cutscene was basically a flash-sideways to the source.

Reconciling this is still possible to do. But it does establish that all the reflections MUST be identical geography.

Dawntrail is fine. It's the same story muck as always. At least it has good dungeons and trial mechanics so far.

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Originally Posted by Asako

Dawntrail is fine. It's the same story muck as always. At least it has good dungeons and trial mechanics so far.

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It's not. dungeons and trials don't fix your characters, lore or storywritting. If I just wanted dungeons and trials I wouldn't be playing ff14.