Nerf gil profit from submarine

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Nice try just looked in the sub discord for 5 min and found plenty talk about automation plugins and even straight up names that can easily lead you to 3rd party discords, guess the rules mean nothing for people that are already bordering botting behavior.
Salvage needs to be removed and replaced with more mounts, minions and housing items.
Not surprising anytime subs get mentioned the same people flock (the threads even get mentioned on the sub discord not even trying to hide it) to defend the low effort destructive gil making schemes.

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People will just upcharge on exclusive mounts or minions then lol. Replacing one money making thing with another money making thing isn't a solution either.

People are already doing that with submarine/airship exclusive materials via trading since you can't market board them.

I already mentioned in page 2 those things should be MBable, nothing should be MB locked including the schematic items, there should be no voyage items designed to be sold to NPCs or in shady discords.

Nerfing salvaged accessories (even if I privately agree it should be considered to discourage sub farms) wouldn't accomplish anything other than penalize normal FCs using them to fund FC events.

Rich players using sub farms to make more gil from salvaged accessories has less impact on player economies than many think. That gil is usually being hoarded for personal wealth score cards, not getting inserted back into circulation.

It's the other voyage loot that actually makes it to the marketboard that has the impact for good or bad on the player economies (depending on your point of view as a potential buyer or seller).

The main thing that is needed is for workshops to be detached from housing. The sub farms are using up plots that could be going to players who want to be using housing for housing.

The second thing needed is a revision to workshop costs. Change purchase price for the workshop from gil to company credits, increase the cost of fuel and make fuel untradable. Normal FCs, even if they only have 3 or 4 active members, shouldn't have a problem keeping up with generating the credits needed to run 4 subs plus grade 2 FC actions. The sub farms will have to consider the additional costs to them to get sufficient company credits to purchase a workshop and keep their subs fueled. It won't deter most of the farms but it would add to the needed upkeep.

Personally id rather they just give everyone who owns a house access too at least a single Airship+Sub.
Why let only FC leaders have all the fun?

Problem solved and it doesn't take from anyone else.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Nice try just looked in the sub discord for 5 min and found plenty talk about automation plugins and even straight up names that can easily lead you to 3rd party discords, guess the rules mean nothing for people that are already bordering botting behavior.

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Here's the link to the actual sub discord:
https://discord.gg/GAVegXNtwK

Invite everyone to the discord and examine it rather than just making up BS.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Here's the link to the actual sub discord:
https://discord.gg/GAVegXNtwK

Invite everyone to the discord and examine it rather than just making up BS.

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3 second search, people talking about a plugin to skip cutscenes andconfirmation windows, an autoretainer and a submarine tracker with over 200 results didn't even need to go past page 2
very cool

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

3 second search, people talking about a plugin to skip cutscenes andconfirmation windows, an autoretainer and a submarine tracker with over 200 results
very cool

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This is how I know you're BSing. Mods in the actual sub discord are pretty strict on third party tools.

Show actual evidence rather than just making stuff up about the sub discord.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

This is how I know you're BSing. Mods in the actual sub discord are pretty strict on third party tools.

Show actual evidence rather than just making stuff up about the sub discord.

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I see you brigading people in the discord lmao heres your 2 good boy points, search results is enough evidence for anyone not fully swimming neck deep in pure bias.
"talk about plugins is against the rules, but also we won't actually do anything about it"

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

I see you brigading people in the discord lmao heres your 2 good boy points, search results is enough evidence for anyone not fully swimming neck deep in pure bias.
"talk about plugins is against the rules, but also we won't actually do anything about it"

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Search results is not enough evidence when those search results are not even from the actual sub discord.

Mods in the sub discord have banned people for talking about third party tools.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Search results is not enough evidence when those search results are not even from the actual sub discord.

Mods in the sub discord have banned people for talking about third party tools.

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I was not aware discord allowed cross server search, must be a new feature