Beastmaster a wasted opportunity

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Originally Posted by Katish

With how "limited" content truly is in terms of projectory, why would you want a limited job that limits it further? That seems like a waste of time imo. If they are going to continue making limited jobs without releasing them as main jobs, maybe they should think how they can affect the already pre-existing jobs, since anyone can unlock and become a limited job. Maybe by progressing the limited jobs you could gain a buff (idk what this would entail) or something when playing in the same role type as said limited job based on what level said job was (or based around how much x you collected on said job.) It would give them some appeal in terms of leveling them. Maybe also allow jobs of the same type to inherit one skill from said limited job as a throwback to the cross-class system, with limitations of course.

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what are saying by content being limited? because theres dungeons, fates, hunts, deep dungeon, variant dungeons, alliance raids, normal raids, ultimates, exploration zones/field ops, treasure maps and this is just the pve/battle content off the top of my head. a limited job can only access some of this, now im not opposed to the concept of a limited job entirely however i think that the execution/release of blu mage isnt something im excited to see be done to beastmaster and theres not a guarantee strong enough to support otherwise.

how often do think blu mage is played as compared to the other classes realistically? is this something you want for beastmaster?

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Originally Posted by RyanCousland

what are saying by content being limited? because theres dungeons, fates, hunts, deep dungeon, variant dungeons, alliance raids, normal raids, ultimates, exploration zones/field ops, treasure maps and this is just the pve/battle content off the top of my head. a limited job can only access some of this now im not opposed to the concept of a limited job entirely however i think that the execution/release of blu mage isnt something im excited to see be done to beastmaster and theres not a guarantee strong enough to support otherwise.

how often do think blu mage is played as compared to the other classes realistically? is this something you want for beastmaster?

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I said limited in projectory, the content listed help the player to grow or utilize their job, blue mage in particular does not fit in this molding nicely because of how limited it feels to play. And the content it does have unique is very arbitrary given its mostly solo based and does not net you anything thing in the actual game. (Not even the glams, well outside maybe its class glams)

Its relic weapon ironically enough is locked behind variant dungeons which they cannot do...that in of itself shows you how much of a waste of time the job is lel...when they can't even do their own relic weapon.

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Originally Posted by Katish

I said limited in projectory, the content listed help the player to grow or utilize their job, blue mage in particular does not fit in this molding nicely because of how limited it feels to play.

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which is why id rather not have beastmaster subject to the same thing as blu mage

Even the bloody crafters have a relic questline now in each expansion shows how little effort goes into limited jobs, to say nothing of how pathetic the last update for BLU was. It's like I said before, easy patch filler they can throw out to spike numbers for a month before everyone drops it for another 2 years. What a fantastic use of a class concept. Truly nothing could have been better.

Just to chime in the blue mage thing, they can simply reduce potencies and force to commit to a role before queueing, ex. I use mimicry (tank), once i start queueing, i will not be able to switch to a different role unless i withdraw.

Now as for BST, the whole taming beasts thing can be relegated to a whole tree of quests exclusive to the job but will only have a pikachu that will always be by their side to fight.

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Originally Posted by RyanCousland

Beastmaster could have been FFXIV's ranger a phys range dps with a whip or crossbow with the ability to summon/call animals for damage or buffs or whatever.

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This game handles pet gameplay really poorly. The animals would need to be baked in animations like RPR's avatar, but then, it completely defeats the purpose of a pet job where the selling point is the capacity of micromanaging more than 1 instance of character - plus we'd miss pet choice, which is also anothe selling point of a classic MMORPG pet handler class. Unless they have big plans to address that, I don't think this kind of job would be easily featured in the main cast.

Said that, I think BST is the perfect candidate for a limited job because they can fabricate an independent pet battle system for it, like WoW did with their previously cosmetic pets.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

This game handles pet gameplay really poorly. The animals would need to be baked in animations like RPR's avatar, but then, it completely defeats the purpose of a pet job where the selling point is the capacity of micromanaging more than 1 instance of character - plus we'd miss pet choice, which is also anothe selling point of a classic MMORPG pet handler class. Unless they have big plans to address that, I don't think this kind of job would be easily featured in the main cast.

Said that, I think BST is the perfect candidate for a limited job because they can fabricate an independent pet battle system for it, like WoW did with their previously cosmetic pets.

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I'd agree with you if there was evidence that they will handle beastmaster with the expectation you're holding out for them, given that the current implementation of the 1st limited job isn't something that is as interesting as it should be or could have been, itd be one thing if they implemented more content only a Blu mage can do thats not tied to its leveling, (like the carnival), also unfortunately much like how players & devs compared island sanctuary to something akin to stardew Valley or harvest moon it was anything but that and now we have players gearing themselves up to expect beastmaster will be the ffxiv version of Pokémon

Regarding your comment on the pet system I can't really say anything of its past quality but from my understanding it was better than our current setup but even so it's still something to base any type of speculation or desire on

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Originally Posted by RyanCousland

Regarding your comment on the pet system I can't really say anything of its past quality but from my understanding it was better than our current setup but even so it's still something to base any type of speculation or desire on

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This can easily be tested with SCH. Go summon your pet, order it to move around then click any pet ability like Whispering Dawn/Fey Illumination/Fey Blessing while it does not reach its destination. Once the pet goes to where you commanded it to go, it will immediately use the ability. There will only be a slight issue when you initially summon the pet, or it comes back either from Dissipation or Summon Seraph and then you immediately issue a command that is not Place/Stay/Heel/Guard/Steady.

The responsiveness is somewhat there.. Only thing missing that gives sluggish vibes to is that it moves at a snail's pace. Ideally, when we use an action/ability/spell/weapon skill, we are expecting it to do it right away. Think of pet movement as such.... Due to its slow base movement speed, it will take at most 5 seconds to reach its destination (depending distance). Also, it will greatly help with responsiveness if the pets can use actions/abilities as it is moving... similar to slide casting or to some extent, weaving.

Sadly to them, it will be a wasted opportunity not to make BLU/BST an additional side content, something to do during patch downtime

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Originally Posted by rawker

Just to chime in the blue mage thing, they can simply reduce potencies and force to commit to a role before queueing, ex. I use mimicry (tank), once i start queueing, i will not be able to switch to a different role unless i withdraw.

Now as for BST, the whole taming beasts thing can be relegated to a whole tree of quests exclusive to the job but will only have a pikachu that will always be by their side to fight.

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If we end up getting Puppet Master, we're more likely going to see the "forever Pikachu" pet with them instead of Beast Master having a "forever pikachu". While we may get a starter, it's likely to be a job that focuses on utilizing different pet's abilities while you do your own thing alongside them GCD and OGCD. But we'll see.

Squenix needed to include a new pet oriented job with likely all of its jank after they butchered summoner and carbuncle, so it being limited is not just to sort out the pet jank, but also to keep the job away from the parse brains that are too busy worshipping their magical abacus primal. But I look forward to seeing how the job will turn out.