Housing needs to be account based

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Yeah God forbid people have a life outside of the game.

Want to go on vacation with the kids ? Nah you gotta stay home because otherwise your house will demo

Great idea bro lmao. Try touching grass because with this suggestion alone and how out of touch it is I don't think you go outside much, else you would think and not even suggest something like that.

Small edit : I know my post is a bit aggressive, and I dont regret it, I am tired of people and their absolutely terrible ideas to "fix" housing, actually tired of them, the solution is to add wards, not to remove multiowner's houses or people with multiple houses (which by the way together make less than 5% of the total amount of houses, aka it wouldnt fix anything at all, anything would fill in a single cycle and the problem repeats), Dynamis is also basically used as a "quarantine zone" for multiowners so they dont even go that much in old worlds anymore which means they have 0 impact on them.

Yall need to either settle for an area you dont like, and get a small there and work your way up, or move to Dynamis and get a much better chance at getting the plot of your choice.

It really is time to stop with all the "take their houses away from them i want it!!!!!"

No, they worked harder than you do to get them.

Deal with it.

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Psst.

I have zero need of more houses. Got more than enough as it is. Assuming everyone else on the game is poor or angry because they can't get a plot in the ward they want is bad form. People who own a boatload of plots, and I include myself in this, have no business getting salty when someone points out how stupid it is for one person to own an entire ward or suggests something that would prohibit the activity from continuing. It makes sense people would see whole wards belonging to one dude and start getting a little hot under the collar about it considering SE now seems allergic to adding more.

Are most people's ideas dumb? Yeah, but maybe a lot of us could stand to lose some of our houses.

And maybe, just maybe, certain posters are so obsessed with keeping the meager few plots they have that it makes them incredibly easy to provoke.

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Originally Posted by Vandso

So 1 house is available therefore there's no problem? Even in Goblet 95% of the FC/personal wards are full. Also why should I have to choose Goblet just because it's the one available? I want to have the freedom to choose the residential district that I like, among all of them.

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We're not talking only one available house. We're talking hundreds on Dynamis.

Trust me. I would love a system where every player has the choice of getting the exact location and size of their choice. I will continue to encourage SE to implement such a system since a player is going to be a lot more excited and enjoy the game a lot more when they're able to get what they want than they will settling for leftovers.

But that is not the system the game currently has. We have to deal with what is and not what we think it should be. If you truly want a house, you're going to take what you can get and hope that later you can acquire what you really want.

Or learn to be satisfied with nothing until such time as the system changes (if it ever does).

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Dynamis was a mistake and the people who got baited into going there should be given a free pass back to a living DC along with an apology from Yoshida himself.

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No, we don't need those things. I spend way more time on Dynamis than I do on Crystal these days and a good part of that time is being part of an active friendly community helping each other to get content done.

Some people like being in a small town instead of a major metropolis. If that's not right for you, then by all means stay away from Dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

I am not sure I agree with the methodology but I do agree we need to do something about multiple characters on one account owning houses. As someone else said, we do need to start somewhere with the conversation (I have heard multiple individuals have tried to start the conversation).

I will ask this: Anyone reading this, how might you approach solving this issue? I personally have no solution yet beyond there needs to be an out of the box kind of solution- something to account for individuals who think they have the right to an entire ward whereas in reality wards are a community space and community spaces should not be owned by just one individual.

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So what what does the community gain if SE takes away the houses I have on Marilith and Maduin? A lot of posters here have already stated they won't get a house on Dynamis so you end up with more empty houses where no one wants to buy a house while not solving the problems on the overcrowded worlds.

It's not the multiple owners that are the problem. In most cases, they were purchasing houses that no one else wanted.

The problem is supply and the distribution of that supply. It is caused by the ward system that SE chose to implement for housing. It is mirrored from world to world regardless of demand on a specific world. Because server resources allotted to housing are constantly in use by the static wards regardless of whether or not the owners are online, fewer players can be served by the system unless SE allocates more server resources to housing.

The solution is instanced housing. It's why almost every other MMO out there is using it. The server resources are consumed by the housing instances in active use. As one instance closes when the last player leaves, room is created for another instance to open.

I know some players fear others would simply AFK in their instanced housing so the servers are blocked from creating more instances but Island Sanctuary shows that doesn't need to be the case. Instanced housing could also boot players after 30 minutes of inactivity so there will be room for other housing instances to open.

But SE got lazy and used the FC private chamber system for apartments instead of creating a proper instanced housing system. Players aren't looking for cramped apartments in most cases. They're looking for relaxing, spacious homes with exteriors in addition to interiors. And so everyone is fighting over the ward housing that offers those things instead of being content with apartments.

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

Overall I tend to like your thoughtful posts, Jojoya, so I wanted to keep you honest on this one. Life often presents us with situations where we can't get everything we want, and sometimes we have to make choices between which of two things that are important to us is more important. Choosing Thing A over Thing B doesn't in any way demonstrate an objective lack of interest in Thing B; it simply shows which one was rated higher relative to the other.

I know people who have had to choose between having a roof over their head and taking care of a lifelong pet. To suggest that a person "isn't really interested" in whichever one they give up would be both inaccurate and needlessly cruel.

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This isn't a situation of real life necessity and survival. It's optional content in a game.

Are you harmed in some way by settling for Goblet until you get lucky and can relocate elsewhere? You can do the same things with a house in the Goblet that you can do with the same size house in other districts. You have the same choice of furnishings and fixtures to use. If you end up like most decorators, you're going to be burying the default walls behind Stage Panels and Imitation Windows. You likely would still be teleporting directly to the house and teleporting directly away from it rather than going out into the open world to travel.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

People who own a boatload of plots, and I include myself in this, have no business getting salty when someone points out how stupid it is for one person to own an entire ward or suggests something that would prohibit the activity from continuing. It makes sense people would see whole wards belonging to one dude and start getting a little hot under the collar about it considering SE now seems allergic to adding more.

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Those mostly single owner wards are a result of more poor decision making on SE's part.

They tied in-game financial incentives to housing by adding gardening and workshops then allowed players to buy multiple houses (especially FC houses) to reap those rewards. Workshops could have been attached to other content. Rewards unique to gardening could have been assigned to other sources (like Quick ventures where they occasionally show up).

They tied real life financial incentive to housing by allowing players to buy up chunks of a limited resource so the demand increases to the point players are willing to resort to RMT to get a chance to participate in the content themselves instead of being limited to observing the participation of others.

Those who see an opportunity for personal gain are going to grab it and they're rarely going to consider (or care) how others are affected.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

Overall I tend to like your thoughtful posts, Jojoya, so I wanted to keep you honest on this one. Life often presents us with situations where we can't get everything we want, and sometimes we have to make choices between which of two things that are important to us is more important. Choosing Thing A over Thing B doesn't in any way demonstrate an objective lack of interest in Thing B; it simply shows which one was rated higher relative to the other.

I know people who have had to choose between having a roof over their head and taking care of a lifelong pet. To suggest that a person "isn't really interested" in whichever one they give up would be both inaccurate and needlessly cruel.

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This isn't a situation of real life necessity and survival. It's optional content in a game.

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With respect, I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not saying that these situations are of equal importance. In logic, the exception to the rule disproves the rule. So I've presented you with a transparent example of when the logic you proposed fails, to demonstrate that it is not in fact dependable logic.

In less verbose terms, knowing A > B does not give you any information about the magnitude of B, save that it is lower than the magnitude of A. Therefore, we can't reasonably come to any conclusions about the value of B with only that information.

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

sometimes we have to make choices between which of two things that are important to us is more important. Choosing Thing A over Thing B doesn't in any way demonstrate an objective lack of interest in Thing B; it simply shows which one was rated higher relative to the other.

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OP chooses to keep 3 million gil instead of buying a small Goblet plot on his own server. The unwillingness to pay the cost of a house, at least to me, signifies a lack of interest in owning a house.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

maybe a lot of us could stand to lose some of our houses.

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Why? Nobody else wants those houses. OP doesn't want a house on his server and many other people don't want a house in fc wards, EU, Oceania or Dynamis. What would freeing up more plots in those places accomplish?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

OP chooses to keep 3 million gil instead of buying a small Goblet plot on his own server. The unwillingness to pay the cost of a house, at least to me, signifies a lack of interest in owning a house.

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100% agreed! You have made a good argument that makes a sound connection between the premises and the conclusion, unlike the specific argument I was criticizing.

Dynamis has several wards wherein some clown with more money than character made a clown car's worth of shell FCs and bought up significant portions of several wards. One ward in mist is half-owned by several characters all named "Catte" who turned a tremendous portion of the neighborhood into undecorated, locked Paissas. I have nothing against the paissa house but this felt particularly spiteful. Nobody needs this, and nobody should be afforded this. There are already infinitesimally fewer homes, especially medium and large homes, available in the game as people who want them, would love them, and have been working just as hard as anyone else to have them without the absolute entitlement of such a selfish few making it that much harder to and exclusive to access.Your take is trash.

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Originally Posted by Impia

Dynamis has several wards wherein some clown with more money than character made a clown car's worth of shell FCs and bought up significant portions of several wards. One ward in mist is half-owned by several characters all named "Catte" who turned a tremendous portion of the neighborhood into undecorated, locked Paissas. I have nothing against the paissa house but this felt particularly spiteful. Nobody needs this, and nobody should be afforded this. There are already infinitesimally fewer homes, especially medium and large homes, available in the game as people who want them, would love them, and have been working just as hard as anyone else to have them without the absolute entitlement of such a selfish few making it that much harder to and exclusive to access.Your take is trash.

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Bro you're on dynamis and complaining about multiowners, there's literally thousands of other plots why are you crying about the one multiowners have

This is why I keep saying this is jealousy,no matter if there's houses available or not, yall would rather see the house empty for years than have a multiowner take it, it's quite literally jealousy. There's thousands of other plots on dynamis in every area, go get them instead of complaining about what other people have, they put in more effort than you ever will to get what they have.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Bro you're on dynamis and complaining about multiowners, there's literally thousands of other plots why are you crying about the one multiowners have

This is why I keep saying this is jealousy,no matter if there's houses available or not, yall would rather see the house empty for years than have a multiowner take it, it's quite literally jealousy. There's thousands of other plots on dynamis in every area, go get them instead of complaining about what other people have, they put in more effort than you ever will to get what they have.

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This post is incredibly short-sighted and presumptuous. I did the thing. I moved to Dynamis, I haunted the residential district. I bid and bid and bid and got my dream mansion in Shirogane. My partner got her medium. It's all we'll ever need and it's all anyone needs. I worked hard, and put in more effort than you know, but the people I bid over put in the same level of effort and the people who will bid in Dynamis in the future will not have the same opportunity that I did. "Multi-owners" do not deserve to hoard entire wards just because they had the opportunity to do so, and they did *not* put more effort in than anyone actively fighting for just one dream plot. They simply had the opportunity to do so, an opportunity afforded to very few and then never again in a given world. Your boomer "I got mine" mentality is horrendous. I want my friends and the future generations of players to have the same opportunity to participate in housing as everyone else, and it's people like you who rob them of that opportunity. I don't care what mental gymnastics or justifications you give, you and people like you are nothing but parasites.

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Originally Posted by Impia

This post is incredibly short-sighted and presumptuous. I did the thing. I moved to Dynamis, I haunted the residential district. I bid and bid and bid and got my dream mansion in Shirogane. My partner got her medium. It's all we'll ever need and it's all anyone needs. I worked hard, and put in more effort than you know, but the people I bid over put in the same level of effort and the people who will bid in Dynamis in the future will not have the same opportunity that I did. "Multi-owners" do not deserve to hoard entire wards just because they had the opportunity to do so, and they did *not* put more effort in than anyone actively fighting for just one dream plot. They simply had the opportunity to do so, an opportunity afforded to very few and then never again in a given world. Your boomer "I got mine" mentality is horrendous. I want my friends and the future generations of players to have the same opportunity to participate in housing as everyone else, and it's people like you who rob them of that opportunity. I don't care what mental gymnastics or justifications you give, you and people like you are nothing but parasites.

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I actually read your post until you said

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Multi-owners" do not deserve to hoard entire wards just because they had the opportunity to do so, and they did *not* put more effort in than anyone actively fighting for just one dream plot

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Nah man, you dont know what you're talking about

GG

I don't agree with an account not being allowed multiple houses. If you have alts on other servers, they should be allowed to a house just like any other account. I think what they need to do is allow alts to be able to share a house on the same server. Since we can't add alts to our friends list, we can't make them tenants. They should fix this by allowing any alt character on that server to have access to the house automatically.