Why Eureka, Bozja (open world part), FATEs, dungeons are all so boring

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Originally Posted by Sindele

I was there. I did it. I was good at it. It still sucked and it still wasn't fun. It's a junk filler button that some people hold up as the pinnacle of technical mastery because you had to... remember to press a button to switch modes. Are you forgetting you're playing a game where fights are tightly choreographed? There was never any complexity in it that wasn't your party doing stupid things.

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This. If the party wasn't taking unavoidable damage then you knew exactly when to turn it on and when to turn it off. And with it on, all you could do was dps since it swapped your stats. I did it. I was good at as well. It was very rigid and boring unless the party was going pear-shaped. I much prefer the flexibility we have now where we can weave dps in around healing and stay a lot more active in the fight doing a variety of things. It was also janky, which is why "healing in cleric stance" was such a meme.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

If someone is put in a situation where they'd unexpectedly die if they aren't healed significantly within a single GCD's time... twice within 5 seconds... that's going to be on them.

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What do you think progression is ?

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

What do you think progression is ?

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In other MMOs, that circumstance and progression might overlap. In XIV, not even in ARR and HW.

No I think they're unfun to play because they're content that both relies on large numbers of participants, but also dies out much faster than instanced content with the roulettes to feed them.
Combined with the selfish way the community is hard wired to only care about content up until they get their rewards and then never touch it again, you have a recipe for a terrible experience if anyone lags even slightly behind.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

No I think they're unfun to play because they're content that both relies on large numbers of participants, but also dies out much faster than instanced content with the roulettes to feed them.
Combined with the selfish way the community is hard wired to only care about content up until they get their rewards and then never touch it again, you have a recipe for a terrible experience if anyone lags even slightly behind.

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Except there is currently nothing you can’t do in either field content zone

Both of them have plenty enough people to sustain basically every facet of them if you aren’t on materia and people still regularly help newer people through areas they may be struggling with

But let’s say that field content doesn’t have enough players it wouldn’t be hard at all for square to release “field content roulettes” where every day the game selects say “kill 3 CE’s in Zadnor zone 1” for a roulette style bonus

So honestly the problem is barely there as it is and even if it was worse it’s not like it’s hard to fix

Cleric stance was fine. As was enmity management being a thing even some DPS jobs helped with.
The aversion to stance dancing or combat features beyond just BIG DAMAGE x BIG DAMAGE MITIGATION in this community is incredibly ridiculous. If any of those players designed a fighting game, the roster would be a bunch of clone characters that output the same.
Anyway this discussion doesn't matter. The devs will continue their stupid and pointless pursuit to make the jobs idiot-proof, even though until the day you only press 1 button for 100% of the time, there will always be players playing sub-optimally or badly, while the people who like some level of skill floor and skill ceiling will continue to get bored, or worse, leave.

Eureka and Bozja are boring because they're all about grinding HP-sponge trash mobs until bosses spawn.

Dungeons are boring because they're all about grinding low-HP trash mobs until the boss rooms open.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Eureka and Bozja are boring because they're all about grinding HP-sponge trash mobs until bosses spawn.

Dungeons are boring because they're all about grinding low-HP trash mobs until the boss rooms open.

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I still say we should have a dungeon with a jump puzzle in it. Either take the long, mob infested, path, or take the shortcut to a handful of mobs that need killing before a boss.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I still say we should have a dungeon with a jump puzzle in it. Either take the long, mob infested, path, or take the shortcut to a handful of mobs that need killing before a boss.

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Gw2 tried this, the jumping puzzle will always be ignored as it turns out jumping and falling constantly is slower than killing a bunch of mobs.
You can carry a bad player through a mob infested hallway: you can't do the same with people who can't platform.

I would like to hear what MMORPG has fun healers. I ask out of curiosity because i played some and i feel like healing can be fun or boring depending of your team and the battle more than the job itself.

In Perfect World you had tons of skills but you had to use only 3 or 4 to heal properly and cause damage. Tera was not different, except healer DPS sucks to the point that you could not even do some quests alone.