Is There a Reason Why Conjruers and White Mages Don't Use Water Spells?

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Aquaveil literally has 'aqua' in its name and a splash-y animation.

Granted, I wish White Mages still kept more elemental magic on their kits, because it's barely there. If it would depend on me, I'd make Glare and Dia more of a special occasion proc spells or something enabled after a blood lily.

But who knows, maybe they are just paving the way for an elementalist job in the future.

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I know Aquaveil exists, I'm just wondering whey there aren't more water spells given its destructive and defensive potential and the fact that an entire section of the CNJ questline is spent discussing the power of water.

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

I know Aquaveil exists, I'm just wondering whey there aren't more water spells given its destructive and defensive potential and the fact that an entire section of the CNJ questline is spent discussing the power of water.

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There is no lore reason. Most elemental spells were just phased out over time in favour of more generic holy-esque ones. It's not some lore changes or anything, just a little bit of disconnect between game mechanics and lore.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

There is no lore reason. Most elemental spells were just phased out over time in favour of more generic holy-esque ones. It's not some lore changes or anything, just a little bit of disconnect between game mechanics and lore.

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Honestly, to me, WHM nowadays seems completely disjointed from its CNJ roots, unlike other jobs such as BLM, BRD, PLD, etc... who all keep the essence of their specific base class' fantasy still relevant one way or another. The big thing that hearkened 'Conjurer' - the elemental magic - is almost completely gone from the White Mage arsenal.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Honestly, to me, WHM nowadays seems completely disjointed from its CNJ roots, unlike other jobs such as BLM, BRD, PLD, etc... who all keep the essence of their specific base class' fantasy still relevant one way or another. The big thing that hearkened 'Conjurer' - the elemental magic - is almost completely gone from the White Mage arsenal.

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Conjurer's in a very weird spot there, where it's the only class that doesn't actually resemble the classic job it became all that much (probably a relic of jobs not actually being planned by the 1.0 devs). It's got healing in common, sure, but beyond that, no; White Mages are known for spells like Holy and Dia, they don't touch Stone and Aero.

But even then, something that I think we just need to keep reiterating constantly in this thread: Remember Aquaveil. It would be one thing if the elemental magic completely fell away and got memory-holed, but they're still actively adding parts of it in, even if it's gradually moved away from the center of WHM's stage.

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

I know Aquaveil exists, I'm just wondering whey there aren't more water spells given its destructive and defensive potential and the fact that an entire section of the CNJ questline is spent discussing the power of water.

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But there are 7 water aspected spells. Or are you just upset there are no offensive ones.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Honestly, to me, WHM nowadays seems completely disjointed from its CNJ roots, unlike other jobs such as BLM, BRD, PLD, etc... who all keep the essence of their specific base class' fantasy still relevant one way or another. The big thing that hearkened 'Conjurer' - the elemental magic - is almost completely gone from the White Mage arsenal.

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Most 'jobs' feel disjointed from classes to me personally. Ninja doesn't have same rogue-ish aesthetic, Bard leans all in on music aspect, Monk is a lot less about punch and more about all the balance and stuff, Paladin brings in the holy stuff that wasnt there for Gladiator, etc. The only jobs that feel like they keep class's essence, from original 9 are, imo, Warrior and Black Mage. Rest all take steps in different directions.

We should all be lucky and thankful that Aquaveil in FFXIV puts up a barrier to absorb a portion of damage taken. In FFXI, Aquaveil enables the WHM to not have casting interrupted for a few minutes.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

We should all be lucky and thankful that Aquaveil in FFXIV puts up a barrier to absorb a portion of damage taken. In FFXI, Aquaveil enables the WHM to not have casting interrupted for a few minutes.

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Which in XI was incredibly useful since one auto-attack could and often would interrupt your cast. As a caster, that used to be the kiss of death if you were soloing.