Tanks are at their most fun when you can solo certain old Extremes and Savage Raids

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I think i'm bit of a boomer vanilla wow enjoyer, but i miss threat mattering for tanks. They were alot more fun when they weren't just blue DPS

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I thought it was fine until there was the level cap dungeons where sync got out of whack and made it nearly impossible for a freshly geared player to hold enmity over overgeared players (who also refused to realize they had enmity skills themselves). Or sometimes a better geared warrior with butchers block pulling from a lesser geared Paladin in tank stance. There was something certainly broke there. Personally I'm okay it went, but I am not surprised some people also enjoyed the extra layer of engagement.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Or sometimes a better geared warrior with butchers block pulling from a lesser geared Paladin in tank stance. There was something certainly broke there. Personally I'm okay it went, but I am not surprised some people also enjoyed the extra layer of engagement.

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You didn't even need Butcher's Block in Stormblood, if the Paladin was exceptionally bad, and let's be honest a lot of them were, you could pull aggro by just doing your normal dps rotation.

I didn't particularly care about enmity management on tanks, it basically boiled down to "don't be bad at doing dps on a tank and you're good". It was slighty more interesting on Ninja since you had a bunch of tools for enmity manipulation.

What I do miss are the mechanics that came with stances. Beast Gauge giving you 0.1% crit or parry per point of gauge depending on your stance, Darkside giving +15% (later +20%) damage but removing your MP regen and Sword Oath dealing an additional 75 potency after each auto attack.

If it were up to me I would reintroduce offensive and defensive stances but with some changes. Remove the damage penalty from defensive stances, add benefits to the offensive stances that stack up the longer you can maintain them, make all of them oGCDs with no cooldown so switching stances doesn't feel terrible and lastly design boss fights in such a way that you can't just deal with everything by cycling mitigation cooldowns and have to eventually use your defensive stance to survive.

Then it becomes a question of when you want to use your cooldowns to get the most out of the offensive benefits and when you want to swap to your defensive stance to survive mechanics.

But obviously this is just a rough idea for now.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

There used to be skills that dumped aggro for DPS/Healers. It actually made the whole game more engaging...but can't have much thought process in this game because that was apparently too hard for a LOT of people.

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Unfortunately, that made aggro less a tank mechanic and more a "everyone else" mechanic. I can't say I entirely miss having to fight with people because god forbid they press Division. It got to the point I used several Samurai, Black Mages and the occasional Monk has my "rampart" button.

Either way, tanks have always been blue DPS even when aggro was still a thing.

As things are they really should revise the roles.

Just transferring all or majority of party buffs to Healers would go far in solving the buff stacking 2 minute meta, it would allow for more options in Job abilities instead of every one being tied to 1 or 2 minute rotation.

Making most mitigation maybe aside from actual shields Tank actions would give them slightly more things to do as boss positioning, enmity management etc. are nearly non-existent now.

Changing DPS to mostly selfish ones without jank like ranged tax would allow them to be balanced more purely based on damage output instead of utility, when there's very little to consider aside from raw damage they can go more wild with the Job actions without having to worry if someone has heal or party buffs.

Along this or entirely alternatively just making the Jobs loop satisfyingly from doing their things would be massive boon. Using mitigation or healing properly resulting in big DPS buttons and doing consistent DPS with basic stuff resulting in juicy mitigation or healing buttons would not only teach people to play the jobs properly, it would also feel more rewarding.

But it's highly likely they are just going to make Tanks more self-sufficient, DPS more same-y, Healers even simpler and give everyone a shiny but mostly pointless capstone ability in next expansion.

As someone who mains tanks I'd be happy if they got redesigned to be tanks and not just "DPS who with no positional who have to occasionally hit a cooldown in response to a red circle around you", but they aren't redesigning anything at this point in the games life. Way to much would have to be changed so best we can hope for is FF17 or 18 or whatever the next MMO one will be.