Weapon versatility for all jobs <Yes, Please>

Actually, different weapon types might get rid of most of my complaints with the armory system, but only if they did it well.

For example, take a Maurader. Normally he has tanking/enmity abilities, if he equips, say, a Great Sword, certain core abilities change to reflect that, say, his +Enmity abilities become debuffs against the mob, or damage buffs, etc. I never really saw the point in every class being stuck with one weapon, but the system kinda pigeonholes that.

they should have made the Armourer System like FFTactics, change job on will and wield most weapons and gears! >:O

I want my PLD to use Great Axe so I can use Steel Cyclone too. :rolleyes:

I support this thread. Why is everyone so against something that's not gonna go against Final Fantasy Lore, or effect anyone in anyway other than the fact it'll make the players of that job have a lot more fun of that role?

(What weapons can you use?)

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Originally Posted by SpringLeaf

I support this thread. Why is everyone so against something that's not gonna go against Final Fantasy Lore, or effect anyone in anyway other than the fact it'll make the players of that job have a lot more fun of that role?

(What weapons can you use?)

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There only one problem with this here thread. People are confusing 'more weapon options' with 'scrap armory system', really. More weapon options is stuff like, how Conjurer has Wands and Staves and (from what I gather) Wands are focused on M.Acc while Staves are focused on Healing Potency and how Gladiator has access to Swords, Macuahuitls and Knives where Swords are accuracy (I think), Macuahuitls are DPS and Knives are (oh god *ultimate facepalm*) uselessly Parry.

But then people start asking "Alter the weaponskills with different weapons!" and at that point, they're unwittingly asking "add more classes" without saying it, or even noticing they're saying it. What truly generates aggravation here is a person's lack of understanding of the system and how it is designed to work

I do not understand why people use FF11 as an exmalple of classes that can use different weapons. In FF11 if you were a WAR and did not use GA from the time the 3rd expan pack came out till now you were gimped. If you were a Sam and did not use a GK you were gimped. DRG polearm, nin Katanna, Thf dagger etc. No one uses weapons that you do not have a A+ rating in and that was most of the time just one main weapon.

If they let us use different weapons they all need to be equal and all have different uses, Weapon skill animations, Speed, etc. Make it have a purpose. If not they leave it as it is and PLEASE do not use ff11 as an example because that game sucked ass when it comes to using different weapons because no one did it.

Seems to me your playing the wrong FF

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Originally Posted by DNO

I do not understand why people use FF11 as an exmalple of classes that can use different weapons.

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If you actually played FFXI you would know why it's used as an example. A Warrior could use all weapons but it's main weapon was Great Axe. A WHM can use Staff and Club but it's main weapon is Club and if geared properly can actually melee quite well. A Blue Mage can only use Swords and Clubs but it's main weapon is Sword.

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In FF11 if you were a WAR and did not use GA from the time the 3rd expan pack came out till now you were gimped.

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Incorrect. Most Warriors used Dual Axes because it was better choice before SE adjusted the 2hand formula which made 2handed weapons more stable in regards to accuracy and damage output.

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If you were a Sam and did not use a GK you were gimped.

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You mentioned 3rd Expansion, Treasures of Aht Urghan, where Colibris that were weak to piercing caused SAMs to use Polearms over Great Katanas due to piercing bonus which lead to more damage output ontop of SAMs innate boosts, i.e Self-Skillchain..did you even play the game?

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No one uses weapons that you do not have a A+ rating in and that was most of the time just one main weapon.

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Also incorrect. Very few jobs even had A+ rating in a weapon therefore you're stating people didn't use anything but their main weapon all of the time, which is incorrect because this varied by situation heavily. For example Zilart and CoP era Paladins used -pdt staff for kiting which later, due to changes in mechanics, a sword and shield, their main weapons, became better for kiting as well as straight tanking.

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If they let us use different weapons they all need to be equal and all have different uses, Weapon skill animations, Speed, etc. Make it have a purpose.

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So you mean like FFXI? Where each weapon have different uses? Equality is the reason Yoshida released the job system and skill reform, to get rid of equality and create some sense of identity to the classes/jobs.

It comes down to a Slashing vs Piercing (Stabbing) vs Blunt damage system. So a MRD/WAR could use Great Axe, Great Swrod or a WAR Hammer and a Gladiator/PLD could use a Sword for Stabbing or Slashing or a Mace.

This only matters if those types of damage will have an impact on different Mobs in 2.0. Then do you have to adjust Weapon Skills for each type, like a LNC/DRG using a Naginata vs a Yari the Naginata would do higher damage on WS that are of a slashing nature and the Yari would do more damage on WS of a Piercing nature

But no a WAR can't use a Bow that won't fit. Or any other instance of a class/job using the primary weapon of another class/job.

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Originally Posted by Rowe

It comes down to a Slashing vs Piercing (Stabbing) vs Blunt damage system. So a MRD/WAR could use Great Axe, Great Swrod or a WAR Hammer and a Gladiator/PLD could use a Sword for Stabbing or Slashing or a Mace.

This only matters if those types of damage will have an impact on different Mobs in 2.0. Then do you have to adjust Weapon Skills for each type, like a LNC/DRG using a Naginata vs a Yari the Naginata would do higher damage on WS that are of a slashing nature and the Yari would do more damage on WS of a Piercing nature

But no a WAR can't use a Bow that won't fit. Or any other instance of a class/job using the primary weapon of another class/job.

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This is what I would like to see more then the "XI style" jobs can use different weapons
Damage modifiers on weapon type, at least giving each job two types
PLD gets slash/blunt (mace/club/hammer for blunt damage, heck we have those stupid Macuahuitls or w/e already)
WAR gets slash/blunt as well, 2h hammers (GS/Scythe is reserved for DRK if we ever get them)
MNK would still just uses fists but give them blunt or piercing damage
DRG would have polearms with piecing or slashing damage
BRD would have modifiers on arrows, maybe piecing and blunt (flat tip arrows) or slash (bladed arrows)
WHM/BLM already have 1h and 2h weapons but if need be give them spiked/bladed wand/staff if they wanna hit stuff