SE Please don't destroy Sage like the other healers

In that regard I believe Sage's kerachole to be the equivalent of SCH's Sacred Soil. Both do the same thing and both get the heal over time at level 78. Only difference is Sage has theirs around themselves rather than a spot on the ground.

I kinda like that aspect at least since I remember getting mildly miffed about some tanks who are allgeric to standing in the big dome of safety when I used SCH.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

Pro tip: The world isn't out to get you. People are allowed to post opinions that diverge from yours that, in fact, are not toxic. I don't recall seeing people saying people aren't allowed to like something. Calm down with the white knighting for others. I call it being critical of something and even want improvements of my own but I am not going to bother discussing things that probably won't happen by the devs. That's why I typically do not participate in threads where people make their own class or builds.

Sage is the healer I in fact use because they kept messing with AST. Doesn't mean I don't find the addersting system stupid or the ability to not be able to turn off eukrasia an oversight. I waited 4+ years for a new healer because they kept screwing with the older ones and I was given one that has a copycat of a preloaded excog, sacred soil, indom, embrace etc at the exact same levels with a minor twist.

-Signed, a former pre-ShB AST.

Edit: Woudn't be surprised if they removed icarus in 7.0 (which is fun) because sage has a gap closer and the other healers do not lol.

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Rest assured I dearly and want my stormblood ast badly however remember ast use to be bash this way like sage about being a whm clone cause it kit. Yes there is copy of sage from sch but ast is kinda the same too from whm with minor twists. Incarus is nice but its clunky, I wish it was more fluent like blms gap close as it has some wierd lag back that can cause something to still hit you that you was trying to zoom from.

IMO ast should be given a gap close as uriganer has a wicked ability where he teleport out danger from first boss in that 88 ew dungeon that uses frost bite and seek mechanic. Come to think of it whm yholta has some bms spells rotation, a lil more weaker than her dps form but its something. I dont get why npcs gets more usefulness of kit than players. Blm yholsta even has cure 2 like what the heck SE.

I forgot to add wasnt stormblood sch a copy of summoner? It had all or most of summon dps tools until they took it away in sbh? So even sch at one point was a copy clone not to mention same weapon and battle stances.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

I forgot to add wasnt stormblood sch a copy of summoner? It had all or most of summon dps tools until they took it away in sbh? So even sch at one point was a copy clone not to mention same weapon and battle stances.

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HW SCH was much closer in gameplay to old SMN in that it's stick was getting a lot of dots on a lot of mobs very quickly through Bane and Shadowflare. In early 3.0 SMN was by far the strongest DPS for blasting through dungeon trash and SCH had enough of it's kit that it could legitimately out DPS many actual DPS jobs even in the hands of world prog level players. However, even then, that was really only in large AoE trash pull situations. On single target stuff, SCH was far far removed from SMN. I'd argue that SCH was actually gutted in Stormblood as well. 4.0 SCH was an absolute shell of what it was pre expansion and it took a pretty hefty numbers buff along with a new Miasma II and other adjustments to get it back on track. Shadowbringers repeated the 'gutting' but across the board rather than so specifically aiming it at SCH alone.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

I don't really play Sage, but I kinda figured they get Icarus to make up for the fact that they're the only healer without a ground-targeted AoE heal.

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Also because a lot of our abilities require us to be right up the butt of the mobs.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

HW SCH was much closer in gameplay to old SMN in that it's stick was getting a lot of dots on a lot of mobs very quickly through Bane and Shadowflare. In early 3.0 SMN was by far the strongest DPS for blasting through dungeon trash and SCH had enough of it's kit that it could legitimately out DPS many actual DPS jobs even in the hands of world prog level players. However, even then, that was really only in large AoE trash pull situations. On single target stuff, SCH was far far removed from SMN. I'd argue that SCH was actually gutted in Stormblood as well. 4.0 SCH was an absolute shell of what it was pre expansion and it took a pretty hefty numbers buff along with a new Miasma II and other adjustments to get it back on track. Shadowbringers repeated the 'gutting' but across the board rather than so specifically aiming it at SCH alone.

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Good summary, which is why I'm worried. It seems Square really is only good at breaking, gutting, dismantled, stripping down, and utterly erasing things about jobs that make them unique, interesting, and/or effective. 1-button dps spam is the most obnoxious, horrible design I've ever seen and I can't believe it has Yoshi's name all over it. You'd think he'd have known better, but even to this day he DEFENDS it!