Inconsistencies with the sundering (Spoilers)

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Only if you're just going to continue ignoring the points Im debating your nitpicks with

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Of course, these so well thought out "points" that you're making that continually confuse someone else's personal fan theory with the game's actual story. You know there's another word that describes what you're doing and that's called trolling. On other game forums and on reddit we have a penchant for blocking those who troll, and that's exactly what I'll be doing. You tried your best. Goodbye little buddy!

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Originally Posted by PeaTearGriffin

I suppose that could be the case, but then the idea that Zodiark has the potential to be that powerful introduces an additional inconsistency. With that kind of difference in power where just 1/14th of Zodiark's aether is enough to stop meteion, the ancients (barring venat's personal moral opinion that people should suffer) could just summon zodiark, have him kill meteion because he's so much more powerful than meteion in this scenario, and then work on restoring etheirys. We already know from the game's cutscenes that "Dynamis is a far weaker form of energy, and is almost completely nullified by Aether in equal quantities." If just 1/14th of Zodiark's aether is enough to nullify meteion, we can assume that zodiark can kill meteion with an additional fraction of his aether, then use his remaining aether to restore the world. Of course these are just fan theories at this point, but the hypothetical scenario that Zodiark is indeed that aetherically powerful creates more possibilities that might be better alternatives to sundering the world.

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It isn't that a ton of aether could blast Meteion away because it's that much more powerful than dynamis, it's that it and aether seemingly can't really interact with each other at all and it was all they could do to put up a space umbrella around the world. If all it took was a being more powerful, then Hydaelyn could've just gone out into space herself and killed Meteion. Or Emet-Selch, Hythlodeus, Venat, and Hermes could have used aether to capture her way earlier instead of playing a silly game of hide and seek.


And again, part of the reason of the Sundering was that Venat was completely opposed to the 3rd Sacrifice and she wanted to do away with Zodiark. It isn't just about making people less aetherically dense to fight Meteion. That was a bonus and she didn't even know what the outcome would be.

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Originally Posted by PeaTearGriffin

These are all great questions that are currently unanswered and we can only hope that square tries to patch these plot holes up. That reminds me that I have even more questions myself.

Can sundered ascians use dynamis? What about sundered primals? Both sundered ascians and sundered primals are less aetherically dense so theoretically they could wield dynamis as another power source. If anyone knew the answers to that feel free to say so here.

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We don't know the process of mantling a Sundered soul to be an Ascian and if it greatly fortifies them with aether to the point that they're unable to deal with dynamis. The other problem is that of all of the Ascians, only Fandaniel even knew about dynamis and he just wanted to watch the universe burn.

Primals are beings of pure aether and only exist of aether so they can't do anything with dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

To note, we are shown quite conclusively that the ancients could interact with Dynamis.

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Ancients could make something that interacted with dynamis, like Meteion. They themselves can't do anything else with it and the two have been shown to be oil and water.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

To note, we are shown quite conclusively that the ancients could interact with Dynamis.

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What are some notable examples?

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Originally Posted by PeaTearGriffin

Of course, these so well thought out "points" that you're making that continually confuse someone else's personal fan theory with the game's actual story. You know there's another word that describes what you're doing and that's called trolling. On other game forums and on reddit we have a penchant for blocking those who troll, and that's exactly what I'll be doing. You tried your best. Goodbye little buddy!

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Ok, apparently me debating you was considered trolling and I still have no clue why you keep bringing up this "special" someone's fan theory when the topic is about the inconsistencies. Whatever, I really dont care what you do.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

It isn't that a ton of aether could blast Meteion away because it's that much more powerful than dynamis, it's that it and aether seemingly can't really interact with each other at all

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Well now I'm confused because it says that "Dynamis is a far weaker form of energy, and is almost completely nullified by Aether in equal quantities." They don't interact with each other so to speak but they can cancel each other out according to the game. Here's a link to the website that I'm getting my information from https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Dynamis

Theoretically this means that a ton of aether could blast meteion away because dynamis can be completely nullified and cancelled out by aether even in equal quantities. Also you raise another good point. Hydaelyn, using the logic that aether nullifies dynamis, and if she was able to, could've gone out into space and killed meteion too. That would've made one hell of a cutscene.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

To note, we are shown quite conclusively that the ancients could interact with Dynamis.

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This is an interesting revelation to me because now we know that the ancients could wield dynamis and could've devised an alternate strategy as opposed to just sundering everybody. My understanding about the ancients and dynamis up till now was that the ancients couldn't interact with dynamis directly but could create beings (like meteion) that could.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Again Ive addressed that the Ancients themselves were too focused on rebuilding their world to even consider going to the edge of the universe.

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References for that claim please.

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Originally Posted by PeaTearGriffin

Well now I'm confused because it says that "Dynamis is a far weaker form of energy, and is almost completely nullified by Aether in equal quantities." They don't interact with each other so to speak but they can cancel each other out according to the game. Here's a link to the website that I'm getting my information from https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Dynamis

Theoretically this means that a ton of aether could blast meteion away because dynamis can be completely nullified and cancelled out by aether even in equal quantities. Also you raise another good point. Hydaelyn, using the logic that aether nullifies dynamis, and if she was able to, could've gone out into space and killed meteion too. That would've made one hell of a cutscene.

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Yes, that is a very good point and another piece of the story that makes the entire dynamis thing fall apart. They could use it (as shown in many ways in the story), were in a way less weak to dynamis than the sundered. Their creations were turned into monsters whereas the sundered themselves turned.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

What are some notable examples?

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As I wrote on page 1 here.

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Originally Posted by Fiel_Tana

If the ancients couldn't manipulate dynamis, how did Hermes create Metion? Why did the elpis flowers react to their emotions? How did Emet-Selch and Hythlodeus use creation magic in Ultima Thule to not only make an entire field of elpis flowers, but also make the liveable environment permanent so the scions could come back? What part of manipulating dynamis were they incapable of, that only the sundered could do?

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Clearly they can manipulate and interact with dynamis as shown in those notable examples.

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Originally Posted by PeaTearGriffin

This is an interesting revelation to me because now we know that the ancients could wield dynamis and could've devised an alternate strategy as opposed to just sundering everybody. My understanding about the ancients and dynamis up till now was that the ancients couldn't interact with dynamis directly but could create beings (like meteion) that could.

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They really couldnt manipulate or use it at will by themselves. Thats why it was a whole plot point that they couldnt sense the Final Days. However they could themselves be affected by it if it happens to be potently strong such as when the Final Days occurred, they were brought down by its intense negative effects of despair that their creation magicks went wild. Its always been an outside source. A notable example is Elidibus whom used the dynamis of the people of Norvrandt's (as well as the Warriors of other shards) to draw its power for him to become a Warrior of Light. Now that I think about it, this is kinda like how Kuja in FFIX had to use strong souls to use the basic form of Trance that the people of Gaia could wield.

But like how we brought up the point of an Ancient creation with Meteion whom could use dynamis, their lack of understanding if its effects and potential is what held them back. So no, they couldnt have been able to use it to properly combat the huge amounts of despair.

These threads always read like some CinemaSins "just fly the ring to Mordor on eagles and the whole story is over. PROBLEM SOLVED!" It just reminds me that the modern media consumer has zero interest in what stories are about, and would rather meticulously dissect the physics "rules" of magic.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

They really couldnt manipulate or use it at will by themselves.

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The examples above show otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Thats why it was a whole plot point that they couldnt sense the Final Days.

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I'm not clear what you mean here tbh. They definitely noticed, and therefore could sense the final days. If you mean "the story tries to claim they couldn't interact / manipulate dynamis", then yes, it does but it shows them doing just that multiple times.