Just like FFXI, make all Artifact armor wearable by all classes

I don't know how people can honestly say they want the outfits to remain unique because of "style cohesiveness" or some other nonsense.

exhibit A (https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_outfit_in/):
https://i.imgur.com/I0gR6uC.jpeg

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

It's not just in ffxi, it's a tradition in ff games since time immemorial

The moment you mastered a job by acquiring the required JP, you could wear the outfit of another job while using the abilities and actions of the job you mastered

I think they should bring it back with artifact armor in this game, which is basically the identifiable outfits of each job

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Just wanted to add a small point. "Tradition in ff games since time immemorial" is primarily jobs wearing only appearances for their job, and if they change jobs, they no longer wear the old job's armor because the sprite or outfit changes to the new job being played. At least outside FF11, which I never played and can't speak on.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Ah, it's something you think you want, but when you see the travesty that other players will do with such freedom you will regret your desire.

FFXI Lockstyle is practically unlimited. If you've got a job leveled, then you can lockstyle the pieces onto any other job in any winning combination. The goofiness of seeing a WHM with an Apocalypse Scythe is entertaining at first, but it quickly looses its appeal.

Not too mention, people genuinely thinking terribly bad looking gear combos look good.

Honestly, I'd almost rather they swoop in and take away that aspect of lockstyle from FFXI. People have 0 fashion sense in 11. Ooof

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Yeah because taking away more options is always good in games? The fact is, nobody is going to care nor they should care what other people wear. A lot of the aesthetics in this game has already botched the unique class fantasy feel with tons of glams and armos being worn by all classes (may I remind the pvp armor sets?) Them lifting the restriction isnt going to affect anyone's gameplay more so than it already has with the amount of meme glams you see running around.

The reason why this matters is that a lot of the restrictions on various pieces makes no sense why they couldnt also be used for other jobs. Let people have their fun with building their outfits.

Also hell no to your want for getting rid of lockstyle in FFXI. What a stupid take.

My point remains as thus:

If you are bothered by the idea of someone else wearing gear you don't want them to wear, why? How does it impact your experience? And why should your desire to not see players wearing gear they want be more important than another players desire to dress their character as they see fit?

If your answer is immersion, then how are you not already bothered by the freedom players have in wearing joke gear, or other Final Fantasy traditional outfits like Cloud's outfit regardless of their job? If that doesn't bother you, someone wearing SGE's robe as a SCH, BRD's pants as a RDM, or GNB's gloves on a NIN won't bother you either. If you are bothered by that, then why does it matter if artifact gear is freed up also? The damage is already done. Keeping artifact gear hostage is not going to magically make the existing "issue" of immersion any better. You've already gotten used to it.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I don't know how people can honestly say they want the outfits to remain unique because of "style cohesiveness" or some other nonsense.

exhibit A (https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_outfit_in/):
https://i.imgur.com/I0gR6uC.jpeg

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Peak aesthetics tbh.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

If your answer is immersion, then how are you not already bothered by the freedom players have in wearing joke gear, or other Final Fantasy traditional outfits like Cloud's outfit regardless of their job? If that doesn't bother you, someone wearing SGE's robe as a SCH, BRD's pants as a RDM, or GNB's gloves on a NIN won't bother you either. If you are bothered by that, then why does it matter if artifact gear is freed up also? The damage is already done. Keeping artifact gear hostage is not going to magically make the existing "issue" of immersion any better. You've already gotten used to it.

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Me out here wanting gear to be unlocked and disliking the meme outfits:
https://media.tenor.com/gaEpIfzxzPEA...key-puppet.gif

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

My point remains as thus:

If you are bothered by the idea of someone else wearing gear you don't want them to wear, why? How does it impact your experience? And why should your desire to not see players wearing gear they want be more important than another players desire to dress their character as they see fit?

If your answer is immersion, then how are you not already bothered by the freedom players have in wearing joke gear, or other Final Fantasy traditional outfits like Cloud's outfit regardless of their job? If that doesn't bother you, someone wearing SGE's robe as a SCH, BRD's pants as a RDM, or GNB's gloves on a NIN won't bother you either. If you are bothered by that, then why does it matter if artifact gear is freed up also? The damage is already done. Keeping artifact gear hostage is not going to magically make the existing "issue" of immersion any better. You've already gotten used to it.

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Immersion isn't my argument at all. That ship has sailed a LONG LONG time ago. One person even joked about my monk glamour. I said, "I keep losing the roll on this armor" and someone in party said "oh so that's why your naked" lol.

My argument is finding enjoyment in knowing there are just a few things here and there that remain unique and exclusive to the class I've chosen to play. I've always enjoyed those little special items that only my class could wear.

To some, they don't care about this whatsoever and their desire to use said items on other classes trumps this. But for others like myself, in a game with tons of glamor options already, having a few special appearances reserved here and there are nice and motivating.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Me out here wanting gear to be unlocked and disliking the meme outfits:
https://media.tenor.com/gaEpIfzxzPEA...key-puppet.gif

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Interesting, I actually feel the same way as you.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

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Leaving an opinion would be to, just saying your not for it, and then leave it at that.
<whilst trying to leave alot of the personal views out of it>

Perfectly fine to want AF locked.
Though my view is, it wouldn't hurt the players in the long run.
Most would desire to he their Class gear, rather than not be forced to use their Class Gear.<by which I mean glamour look>

Unless it's one of those where the item in question doesn't fit the Class that uses it.
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[Me personally, I'd want the normal gear to be unlocked. and I don't. find the unlocking of some AF gear to be bad since new gear tends to be more open to interpretation, like some sets can be. A shrine maiden can be of fate. a Gunner can be in commanding gear. a Caster/Dps can also be Scholarly Attired.]

So I take the opinion that it wouldn't hurt if it was.

As it gets boring for those that joke to trick with glamour.

and if it doesn't, at least the topic having a resurgence is more a boon than a negative to push for at least Non-AF gear Unlocking.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Leaving an opinion would be to, just saying your not for it, and then leave it at that.
<whilst trying to leave alot of the personal views out of it>

Perfectly fine to want AF locked.
Though my view is, it wouldn't hurt the players in the long run.
Most would desire to he their Class gear, rather than not be forced to use their Class Gear.<by which I mean glamour look>

Unless it's one of those where the item in question doesn't fit the Class that uses it.
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[Me personally, I'd want the normal gear to be unlocked. and I don't. find the unlocking of some AF gear to be bad since new gear tends to be more open to interpretation, like some sets can be. A shrine maiden can be of fate. a Gunner can be in commanding gear. a Caster/Dps can also be Scholarly Attired.]

So I take the opinion that it wouldn't hurt if it was.

As it gets boring for those that joke to trick with glamour.

and if it doesn't, at least the topic having a resurgence is more a boon than a negative to push for at least Non-AF gear Unlocking.

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I did simply state my opinion, but then someone decided to quote and respond, resulting in the discussion.

If they did unlock these I would not actually care all that much either. I'd just be losing a small aspect of the game that I like, and I clearly don't feel as strongly about keeping them locked as some do about unlocking them.