RMTs are starting to bother me...

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Originally Posted by Noir

You know rh problem with rmt?

The problem is that we don't have many. WE NEED MORE!

Unless you want to keep paying 10k for ores and millions for AF weapons. RMT are a necessary evil. We have too many greedy ppl

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Sounds like what you're really complaining about is the massive quantities of money that went into the game early on when leves returned much greater amounts of cash than they do now. What you really want is the amount of money in the game to decrease, so prices come down to what you view as more realistic levels.

Curiously enough, that's more or less exactly what happened when SE started cracking down on RMTs in FFXI...

Yeah in XI, the moment they banned 99% of RMT, prices on rare items and ores went down by 80%. Soon after, they added new items and expansions that made those items nearly worthless.

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Originally Posted by Melinia

Sounds like what you're really complaining about is the massive quantities of money that went into the game early on when leves returned much greater amounts of cash than they do now. What you really want is the amount of money in the game to decrease, so prices come down to what you view as more realistic levels.

Curiously enough, that's more or less exactly what happened when SE started cracking down on RMTs in FFXI...

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Not really. It's all greed. Not because someone has money. I see ppl putting fishes at 4k each. When the rmt deposit the farm, it goes to less than 1k each. So, rmt are helping the game and players by keeping the supply high and prices low. The bastards are the real players. That put ridiculous prices on items and materias.

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Originally Posted by LackingLadyLover

Yeah in XI, the moment they banned 99% of RMT, prices on rare items and ores went down by 80%. Soon after, they added new items and expansions that made those items nearly worthless.

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What you say makes no sense. It's supply and demand. Rmt keep prices low. Real players keep it high. If you have one guy selling one materia, he will sky rocket the price. Now if you have 100 selling the same, then you see prices low. Competition.

Except RMT had a MONOPOLY on all those items. Meaning they set the price. They were the only seller. Got it? In XI, chances at sellable rare items were once a few hours to once every week. Even the best ores could take up to 4 hours to get enough for a single ingot. With their teleport and claim hacking, they literally got 99% of the rare items in XI before their mass bannings (over 1 million accounts banned in a year including buyers). RMT are NOT your friends. They are people who get their pay docked if they don't make X amount of Gil in Y hours. They don't choose their market prices...their bosses do.

Here's how supply and demand really works in a economy with limited supply.

1 person buys all of 1 item, sells them at a higher price, then continues to corner the supply and keep the price where they want it. Thats a bit harder to do in XIV, but still possible with the billions RMT farm every week.

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Originally Posted by LackingLadyLover

Except RMT had a MONOPOLY on all those items. Meaning they set the price. They were the only seller. Got it? In XI, chances at sellable rare items were once a few hours to once every week. Even the best ores could take up to 4 hours to get enough for a single ingot. With their teleport and claim hacking, they literally got 99% of the rare items in XI before their mass bannings (over 1 million accounts banned in a year including buyers). RMT are NOT your friends. They are people who get their pay docked if they don't make X amount of Gil in Y hours. They don't choose their market prices...their bosses do.

Here's how supply and demand really works in a economy with limited supply.

1 person buys all of 1 item, sells them at a higher price, then continues to corner the supply and keep the price where they want it. Thats a bit harder to do in XIV, but still possible with the billions RMT farm every week.

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11 isn't 14. What I see here , are greedy players versus rmt. Rmt provides the items and greedy players but them all. If rmt buys your item to set the price, just get more and overcut them. Very easy. When I see ppl charging stupid prices, I set mine lower. If they low, then much lower till they always buy my item. In the end, you always win. This game is great because it lets you get everything you want. So, if you are paying high for items, don't blame rmt. Blame greedy players and lazy ppl.

What rmt does here is saving me big Gil. I don't mind giving my Gil to rmt, that sells cheap but in big quantities, but I do mind paying high when one player decide he should charge 10mil for af weapon and 3mil for each materia.

I agree with LackingLadyLover RMT monopolized so much in XI it got to the point they were farming sky god triggers and selling the drops to players. Yes thats right at one point you could buy a pair of byakko's haidates for somewhere around $50 real money mind you. For the most part this is a player driven economy and an outside source such as RMT should not dictate it in anyway theyre not players like you or I in the sense they dont log in to have fun, do challenging content or even unlock jobs. Theyre logged in to farm money to turn around and sell it to you for real money. RMT have no place in the game. And to the OP I made a nice detailed thread a couple weeks ago about some RMT we came across and it got nuked and I got a nice temp ban of the forum and heres the reason I got:

Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual.
Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members.

I gave a name, profile history and urged players on other servers to see if they found RMT fitting this description because the one we came across said he has more then 20 accounts per server. So leave out names and avoid saying anything that sounds like your trying to form a group.

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Originally Posted by Noir

You know rh problem with rmt?

The problem is that we don't have many. WE NEED MORE!

Unless you want to keep paying 10k for ores and millions for AF weapons. RMT are a necessary evil. We have too many greedy ppl

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RMT's generate mass amounts of gil & sell it to players eager to buy items from the markets. If you get rid of RMT's you remove billions of gil from the economy, effectively lowering prices across the board. What you're talking about benefits you in the short term & screws everyone else in the long run.

I've also never bought ores, I mine for all of them.

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Originally Posted by Noir

What rmt does here is saving me big Gil. I don't mind giving my Gil to rmt, that sells cheap but in big quantities, but I do mind paying high when one player decide he should charge 10mil for af weapon and 3mil for each materia.

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Noir I do agree with you that some of the prices players are asking for is batshit crazy even gear in the low levels can be expensive at times but as long as players are willing to buy items way overpriced for 10mil+ itll keep staying that price unfortunately

Do you know how many pieces of gear it takes on average to get a max double meld? Somewhere around 50. Thats 100ish IV materia and mil worth of gear.

How many on average for a max triple meld? Hundreds. Now +1 that? Easily 10m worth of time and mats right there.

Its not the prices that are crazy, its the chances of success.