Healer, nice healing

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Originally Posted by Floortank

There's not really anywhere you can overpull except Mt. Gulg. Every other dungeon the max pull is easily doable. You don't need spectacular gear to do them either, just people knowing how their cooldowns work.

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That one pull is spicy but doable if the healer and tank coordinate and the dps know what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

X button explodes from doubting so hard

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I have definitely seen a lot of various passive-aggressive criticism towards myself, or other healers. It does happen. The healer will often have all the blame laid on them, even if the tank definitely is the one at fault, and I can tell you I know when it's the tank at fault and not me.

I used this on my girlfriend, I think she loved it because she stared me down really hard.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I have definitely seen a lot of various passive-aggressive criticism towards myself, or other healers. It does happen. The healer will often have all the blame laid on them, even if the tank definitely is the one at fault, and I can tell you I know when it's the tank at fault and not me.

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Very true. However look who posted it. Then look at their started thread history. Easy to piece together this did not happen.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

There's not really anywhere you can overpull except Mt. Gulg. Every other dungeon the max pull is easily doable. You don't need spectacular gear to do them either, just people knowing how their cooldowns work.

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You can actually pull everything wall to wall in Mt. Gulg. Might only be possible with a WAR but it's doable!
Only happenned to me once and i was the healer (sage) but we actually made it!
When the tank was pulling EVERYTHING before the first boss i was like "wait... are you serious?... WHAT ARE YOU DOING?... NO WAY!?" i couldn't believe it and to my surprise we didnt wipe.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

You hear this so much. Well, at least I do.

Tank overpulls, and then suddenly it is "healer, nice healing"

It is nice to hear, but it also made me realize that this is more "tank, bad pulling".

If a healer is at their wit's end to get you through a mighty pull, then surely it means that the tank has overpulled, right?

I can heal through most overpulls, assuming they are manageable in normal circumstances. I fluff every so often, but it happens to the best of us.

But, surely by commending healers for getting through big pulls, it is doing a disservice to the tanks who, in the future, believe that the way they are pulling can work with lesser/new healers.

Yet. We aren't allowed to say that it was a bad pull, because of the risk of being reported. So us healers can do nothing but say "thanks", and then wait for the inevitable fluff-up with the next healer who can't heal through those mighty pulls and gets ganged up on.

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Course, if the tank DON"T pull too much like that, then one of the DPS will grab them anyway. Tanks probably only pulling past the limits because they can't say, "you pull, you tank" without getting in trouble too...

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Originally Posted by UnrealTai

Ignore him, maybe his mother will hug him one day.

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This gave me a good chuckle. But also kinda sad.

But yeah, my response wasn't so much for the OP as it was for the topic of overpulling in general.

Lot of people in here showing that they've never pulled the entire set of mobs on Mt. Gulg from starting point to boss 1. You only live that pull if the RNG decides not to aim every randomly targeted line at the healer.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Lot of people in here showing that they've never pulled the entire set of mobs on Mt. Gulg from starting point to boss 1. You only live that pull if the RNG decides not to aim every randomly targeted line at the healer.

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You have to hope for some good DPS. A lot of factors for Mt. Gulg. The last few times I have tanked that dungeon, I haven't bothered doing a full pull in there. I just don't trust the people you get in DF really. Even that one from second to last boss can be iffy, but I have pulled that one semi-often.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

It's only an overpull if you wipe.

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In most cases it only results in a wipe because of 4 factors:
- The tank is undergeared (healer error)
- The healer is undergeared (tank error)
- The healer failed at healing properly (healer error, runs are played in very static ways so in most cases healing moments are easily predictable even in new dungeons)
- The dungeon is made in such way you cant w2w (tank error)

The undergearing is inverted, because you are allowed to enter with your low gear, this means that the other player must adapt to this. Which can mean pulling less to avoid pushing the healer too far, or by dpsing less and focussing more on healing in order to keep the tank alive.

Healers are handled very gracefully because of this, but sadly point 3 is the one i see most. But yeah, wipes are nearly always 'caused' by the tank as they still decide pacing, so even for point 3, they get blamed most of the time. If the healer is bad you have to pull less. And most dungeons allow you to figure out this quickly enough. Most dungeons do not have the heaviest attacks before the first boss.