Will there be a wipe between 2.0 beta and 2.0 live?

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06-04-2012, 03:13 PM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Senuska

Please re-read me latest post to get a better understanding of what I am talking about.

I read your post and it all stands. There isn't going to be any kind of reset, wipe, or temporary characters. We're using the same characters and no clones or copies throught the entire time period. There is not going to be a "beta test" per se except for the PS3 version. For us, they're simply handing us the client before it goes on sale to anyone else and giving us some free time to play with it. That's all.

The devs have reiterated on more than one occasion that no kind of wipe/reset/rollback is going to happen.

There is not going to be any time period when both 2.0 and 1.x are going to be avialable. We're going to be put on 2.0 when it is given to us and there will be no turning back.
06-04-2012, 03:23 PM
Senuska

Then I would have to say SE is taking a big gamble on 2.0 and that it will run smoothly out of the gate. That same hubris is what got them into trouble in the first place.
06-04-2012, 03:30 PM
Kiroh

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Originally Posted by Senuska

@Kiroh I am not saying that there will be a wipe going into 2.0 from 1.XX. I will break it down into three stages:

1. All character progress leading up to the 2.0 trial/beta (this is every thing that the character has done in the current version of the game).

2. 2.0 beta/trial phase starts. The characters progress from the previous stage is saved, and a copy of that character is used in this stage. If it is an actual beta this stage would be used to test the new graphics engine, combat, UI, and any other bug testing that would need to be done in order to ensure a smooth transition into the 2.0 live release.

3. 2.0 beta/trial phase ends, and 2.0 live launches. At this point the copy of the character from the beginning will be loaded. The character that was played during the 2.0 beta/trial phase is deleted.

So here is an example: At the launch of 2.0 beta/trial phase a MRD is level 20. During the 2.0 beta/trial phase the MRD gets to level 35. At the end of the 2.0 beta/trial phase the MRD is back to level 20.

If we (the players) could choose to play either the 2.0 client or the 1.XX client then most every one would play the 2.0 client for a few days and switch back over to the 1.XX client to get as far as needed. This isn't helpful when the pint of the 2.0 beta/trial phase is to work out all the bugs. In order to do that most effectively SE would move every one over to the 2.0 client. And with the current server structure already as convoluted as it is, it would be a big pain to run both the 2.0 servers and the 1.XX servers.

...Are you high? You really believe SE would go through that much trouble?

If THAT is your question then the answer is absolutely positively "NO, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?" not. Either the beta will be on a different server with new chars, or our characters will be transferred and we'll keep everything.

1.) It makes no damn sense.

2.) A LOT of people would just be like "Fuck this back and forth bs, I quit.".

(Also, you think it's convoluted to run both server but perfectly acceptable and reasonable to be like "Yeah you'll play with your character for three months for which you will be paying and at the end we will be wiping all your progress for those months so you can ACTUALLY start playing? Seriously, dude, what are you smoking?)

Edit : As much as people have already put up with from this game, imho, there is no way SE would be stupid enough to wipe progress at this point. Two years post launch would be a bad time to decide to roll characters back for ANY reason. Any people (read : masochists) who have been playing since release would literally delete their SE accounts in disgust.
06-04-2012, 03:55 PM
Zumi

SE never really said how the 2.0 beta was going to work. If it was going to be tested alongside still having 1.0 out, if that was the case then I would expect a wipe. Or if the 1.0 chars will be transferred to the 2.0 beta and we would be playing our old chars then probably wouldn't have a wipe.
06-04-2012, 04:02 PM
Senuska

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

...Are you high? You really believe SE would go through that much trouble?

If THAT is your question then the answer is absolutely positively "NO, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?" not. Either the beta will be on a different server with new chars, or our characters will be transferred and we'll keep everything.

1.) It makes no damn sense.

2.) A LOT of people would just be like "Fuck this back and forth bs, I quit.".

(Also, you think it's convoluted to run both server but perfectly acceptable and reasonable to be like "Yeah you'll play with your character for three months for which you will be paying and at the end we will be wiping all your progress for those months so you can ACTUALLY start playing? Seriously, dude, what are you smoking?)

Edit : As much as people have already put up with from this game, imho, there is no way SE would be stupid enough to wipe progress at this point. Two years post launch would be a bad time to decide to roll characters back for ANY reason. Any people (read : masochists) who have been playing since release would literally delete their SE accounts in disgust.

This makes perfect sense from a software development stand point. Since the 2.0 client hasn't been tested outside of the SE offices it would be a repeat of the 1.XX launch if they don't have an effective external testing phase.

SE would be rushing the 2.0 client out of the door. Much to the pleasure of the current FFXIV players, but if the client has as many problems, and can have exploits that were looked over by SE (not one group of people can find EVERY problem in a video game) then it would create an even WORSE image of the game and SE as a whole.
06-04-2012, 04:05 PM
Kiroh

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Originally Posted by Senuska

This makes perfect sense from a software development stand point. Since the 2.0 client hasn't been tested outside of the SE offices it would be a repeat of the 1.XX launch if they don't have an effective external testing phase.

SE would be rushing the 2.0 client out of the door. Much to the pleasure of the current FFXIV players, but if the client has as many problems, and can have exploits that were looked over by SE (not one group of people can find EVERY problem in a video game) then it would create an even WORSE image of the game and SE as a whole.

So by your logic we should have a monthlong beta of every patch in case something can be exploited like something ALWAYS IS, EVERY PATCH. Yes, there will be issues with 2.0, yes some of those issues may actually be exploitable to a player's benefit, no there will not be a wipe get over it.

(Every single time this is brought up it ends the same way, "no Yoshi does not have any plans to wipe data.", dev parrots this response, players accept it for about 2 weeks until someone who hasn't read the last 15 threads about it, or somehow believes SE has changed their collective mind in 14 days brings it up again.)
06-04-2012, 04:07 PM
Zumi

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

So by your logic we should have a monthlong beta of every patch in case something can be exploited like something ALWAYS IS, EVERY PATCH. Yes, there will be issues with 2.0, yes some of those issues may actually be exploitable to a player's benefit, no there will not be a wipe get over it.

Lots of games have this its called a test server. So people can play and test out new patchs before they hit live servers. Even FFXI has it.
06-04-2012, 04:09 PM
Kiroh

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Lots of games have this its called a test server. So people can play and test out new patchs before they hit live servers. Even FFXI has it.

Yes, but FFXI (and other games) do not wipe (or roll back) your retail character data for it.
06-04-2012, 04:12 PM
Zumi

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Yes, but FFXI (and other games) do not wipe (or roll back) your retail character data for it.

That's because they are always done on copies from live or temp chars so they can be wiped without a problem and SE very well may have you copy your char to the 2.0 beta which will get wiped and only your 1.X char will actually count toward progression.
06-04-2012, 04:14 PM
Kiroh

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Originally Posted by Zumi

That's because they are always done on copies from live or temp chars so they can be wiped without a problem and SE very well may have you copy your char to the 2.0 beta which will get wiped and only your 1.X char will actually count toward progression.

Yes, but those games also do it on ALTERNATE servers meaning you aren't forced to stop your retail character's progression for 3 months to test it.

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