It seems SE sees apartments as Housing

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's a safe secret to share because most players find gardening too irritating to keep doing, which is something all those players screaming "I need a house so I can garden" have yet to learn.

There's a reason why when you go around a ward looking at the outdoor decorations there's only a small percentage of houses with a garden patch in active use.



There's a difference between being worse and being bad. Didn't your grade school grammar teacher explain that?

I've never claimed that apartments are as good as houses but they are still good in their way.

You, on the other hand, go "APARTMENTS ARE BAD WAH WAH WAH I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS HOW DARE THEY DISAGREE WITH ME".

And bullshit on feeling not feeling claustrophobic in a small house while feeling claustrophobic in an apartment. The basement isn't that much larger to make enough of a difference. That's you making up excuses, mostly likely because your intent on having a reason to hate apartments.

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Again you are making assumptions about me. The size of a small house's basement allows for partitioning into a 2x3 and a 3x3 room. While the 2x3 room is a bit too snug, the 3x3 room is plenty large to give an open feel. The first floor room is large enough to remain as a single room with plenty of space. For me, apartments are bad because there is no way for me to partition them without having all of the rooms becoming claustrophobic. If you want to nitpick on grammar, knock your socks off. My point is that apartments lack the space of even a small house and that heavily restricts their customizability without making them uncomfortable for players like me. Oh, by the way, please tell me where I have ever said that "I'm not going to listen to what anyone else says how dare they disagree with me"? I read all the opinions of posters to this forum. Some of these opinions I agree with, even some of yours. Some I do not. I have never said "how dare they disagree with me". Everyone has a right to their own opinion. Finally, if you have actually read some of my other posts, you would have known that I am also a proponent for an expanded apartment system. A house is not my ultimate goal. My ultimate goal is simply having enough space to create a living quarters with multiple rooms without me feeling claustrophobic.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's a safe secret to share because most players find gardening too irritating to keep doing, which is something all those players screaming "I need a house so I can garden" have yet to learn.

There's a reason why when you go around a ward looking at the outdoor decorations there's only a small percentage of houses with a garden patch in active use.



There's a difference between being worse and being bad. Didn't your grade school grammar teacher explain that?

I've never claimed that apartments are as good as houses but they are still good in their way.

You, on the other hand, go "APARTMENTS ARE BAD WAH WAH WAH I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS HOW DARE THEY DISAGREE WITH ME".

And bullshit on feeling not feeling claustrophobic in a small house while feeling claustrophobic in an apartment. The basement isn't that much larger to make enough of a difference. That's you making up excuses, mostly likely because your intent on having a reason to hate apartments.

I get it. You want a house. Guess what? I want every player who wants a house to get one as well. That's why I've been a regular in this subforum for the past 4 years. I want SE to fix the system so every player get a chance to enjoy a house of their own. I've been here pointing out the flaws with the ward system, pointing out how other games address housing so the lack they drama and player antagonism we see here, etc. all in hope that perhaps some day SE will realize this has got to change.

But SE doesn't see things the same way. They're willing to provide enough apartments (unless you're on Balmung) but not enough houses.

When you can't get the hot fudge sundae, at least enjoy the vanilla ice cream until the hot fudge sundaes are available again.

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Keep on posting +1

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Keep on posting +1

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Most of what Jojoya said about me in that post was demonstrably false. I do give her credit for calling me out on the grammar (I should have been consistent in the use of the word "worse") but she did it in a very childish way. She then proceeded to act further childishly by making claims that I said things that I never said. I have never told anyone that they should not dare disagree with me and any reference I have made regarding apartments being bad (should have used the word "worse" here) was always in RELATION to houses (the only other form of living quarters we have at the moment). Additionally she called bullshit about how I feel about living space in houses when she doesn't know a damned thing about me. I can tell you right now that my limits for room space without feeling claustrophobic are 3x3 or higher. That precludes me from ever having more than one comfortable room in an apartment, making apartments little more than a simple box. A small house has at a minimum, two decent sized rooms. For me, apartments are not a suitable form of housing in their current state. I suspect given the amount of interest in the Lottery there may be more people who feel the same way for the same reason or perhaps a different one. If you want to add something constructive to the discussion, I am all ears. Make a post advocating a revamp of the apartment system, for example.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

...Jojoya...him...he...He...he...he

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Jojo is a girl. Very easy to see from the forum avatar, but to make it clearer...

https://i.gyazo.com/1ae857f3052b7f4b...0eeba11fbf.png

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Jojo is a girl. Very easy to see from the forum avatar, but to make it clearer...

https://i.gyazo.com/1ae857f3052b7f4b...0eeba11fbf.png

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My mistake, Shibi. I will correct my post immediately. I don't normally pay much attention to the forum avatar. This should spur me on to be more attentive.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

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If a apt feels worse then having a small, doesnt having a small feel worse then having a medium? Or a medium feels worse then a large? I mean that is true right? Its kinda a universal thing. If you have a small drink and someone has a large gulp, of course you're going to feel like the small is worse. Playing on a 32" TV feels worse then playing on a 55" TV

To address the point about the room size, the smalls have 1 small upper floor and a slightly larger lower floor, but they are still comparable to the apt size. So when you say an apt makes you feel claustrophobic and you point to a room of a very similar size and say "thats different" I think you can see why i look at what JoJo said there and i go "ehhh, i can see why they feel that way". But also if you have claustrophobia why not work around the limitation and build a robust single room, until the opportunity to get a house comes along? Because if you had a small you would likely build 2 single rooms because they are 2 "simple boxs" sandwiched on-top of each other. When you go downstairs, youre still in a "simple box" when you go upstairs, you're still in a slightly smaller "simple box". So having 2 boxes linked wouldn't trigger your claustrophobia when you can only occupy 1 of those "simple box" at a time?

If you feel like you cant build more then a single room due to your affliction, make a robust single room.
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But my question is? Why would i need to ask for a revamp? Does my apt sized spaces look like they are in need of one?
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I have said, i agree with a item increase, i agree with increasing the size of the apt to be the size of the basement of a small, and i think they should give you a shared balcony , where you can buy a dirt patch to cross-breed to your hearts content. Only 1 problem. The western audience wont settle for anything that isn't a house, you can build a decent space in an apt, but its not that we can't. But people don't want to. But going to a Eastern developer and making Western demands about something western players feel entitled to isn't going to fly.

Apartments is housing, didn't you get the memo?

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Originally Posted by Solowing

If a apt feels worse then having a small, doesnt having a small feel worse then having a medium? Or a medium feels worse then a large? I mean that is true right? Its kinda a universal thing. If you have a small drink and someone has a large gulp, of course you're going to feel like the small is worse. Playing on a 32" TV feels worse then playing on a 55" TV

To address the point about the room size, the smalls have 1 small upper floor and a slightly larger lower floor, but they are still comparable to the apt size. So when you say an apt makes you feel claustrophobic and you point to a room of a very similar size and say "thats different" I think you can see why i look at what JoJo said there and i go "ehhh, i can see why they feel that way". But also if you have claustrophobia why not work around the limitation and build a robust single room, until the opportunity to get a house comes along? Because if you had a small you would likely build 2 single rooms because they are 2 "simple boxs" sandwiched on-top of each other. When you go downstairs, youre still in a "simple box" when you go upstairs, you're still in a slightly smaller "simple box". So having 2 boxes linked wouldn't trigger your claustrophobia when you can only occupy 1 of those "simple box" at a time?

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For me a single room, no matter how it looks, is still just a single box and does not feel like a home. I'm not saying that everyone should feel this way. I'm saying that I feel this way. A small house gives the option of at least having two separate rooms. I would be fine if the apartment system were revamped so that larger sized apartments could be purchased. As I have said before, my goal is not to own a house. My goal is to have a living space large enough to accommodate multiple rooms that do not feel claustrophobic. Your apartment looks nice, by the way, but it still gives that "just a single box" vibe.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Jojo is a girl. Very easy to see from the forum avatar, but to make it clearer...

https://i.gyazo.com/1ae857f3052b7f4b...0eeba11fbf.png

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Troll.

10char

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I get it. You want a house. Guess what? I want every player who wants a house to get one as well. That's why I've been a regular in this subforum for the past 4 years. I want SE to fix the system so every player get a chance to enjoy a house of their own. I've been here pointing out the flaws with the ward system, pointing out how other games address housing so the lack they drama and player antagonism we see here, etc. all in hope that perhaps some day SE will realize this has got to change.

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This is great. Quit arguing with, trolling and harassing players that leave feedback here.