The struggle of Addons, is very real.

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

I mean Arthas got suspended for having ACT running during a stream badmouthing a blm and his fans went to bother the blm.

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More than a matter of whether outside information was accepted or not, the GMs only moved when actual harm was being done -- in this case, dogpiling/harassment on/of a player.

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

No one is seeing you do it, therefore, no one can report you for it.

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I guess, you underestimate the viciousness of some players. They will report you even without an evidence for something. They just hope, that a GM has a bad day and will still ban you. Or a mass report could trigger an autoban mechanism etc. The last thing happened in New World. The players figured out, that there is an autoban mechanism in place. And then they started to abuse it.


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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

This seems to be the only board blowing up over the recent re-affirmation of the ToS on 3rd party tools and people getting temp bans for using them while streaming or in their posted vids...

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Case in point. Back at the start of Heavensward, SCH had the potential to do absolutely absurd DPS in dungeons, more than most DPS jobs actually. However doing it well leant very heavily on dot damage which the game did a particularly bad job of quantifying to the player back then.

So I made a video guide explaining how to do it and showed metrics to confirm my findings and methods. Obviously the ToS was broken doing so.

I got a ~14 day forum ban for it and a warning in game.

Whilst I wasn't particularly pleased with it, in hindsight it was fair. They made their point. The warning in game meant I had to be more careful going forward and importantly, it didn't curb stomp my imminent Gordias progression with my group.

Don't underestimate how impactful these 10 day temp bans are on not only the streamer themselves, but the rest of their group. You can't simply sub someone into ultimate content and carry on like nothing happened. On content this difficult and precise? It's practically a progression reset, that's some serious time investment gone and IMHO it's just not warranted given some of these bans were over little more than UI fluff that SE seemingly want to implement themselves.

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

Hello there, just thought I'd correct you a bit here.
They're actually cracking down on streamers only right now, as in, people who are intentionally choosing to stream the usage of add-ons/modifications directly attached to their Final FantasyXIV game clients.
Now, as for the average Final FanatsyXIV players who dont need attention to breathe, none of the rest of you can be detected. Understand, I am not saying to use chat bubbles. I am saying if you use chat bubbles there is no actual way for anyone to know other than you that you're using them. No one is seeing you do it, therefore, no one can report you for it. The people being banned (reminder! These people are called "streamers"!) are being banned because a viewer sent the report after watching them use modifications clearly directly onto their Final FantasyXIV game clients. Ok? The only way anyone will know is if you streamed it. This is why people streaming the usage of modifications to their Final FantasyXIV game clients are being banned. Because they're streaming it and proving to everyone they can find that they are in fact doing it. If you simply play the game in your room quietly, you cannot get in trouble. As there is no way to know that you are doing it. You need to show someone (likely, strangers!) that you're doing it to get reported to a GM (reported, meaning that a player told on you because they saw you doing it!). So currently, the only way to get in trouble for using something like chat bubbles would be if you for some reason decided to go out of your way and stream yourself using them right there directly attached to your Final FantasyXIV game client. Hope that clears some things up for you!

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They actually can do that. They don't want to (reasonable), but they can add anti cheat that is following for any changes of the game files or programs that attach to FF. Even if their anti cheat is not scaning your entire computer, but just looking into FF specifically it is still controversial because they cannot prove it. The only way to prove they are not spying on your pc with this software is by showing the code and what it does, but if they do so, people will find easy ways to bypass it, so it is no sense. What really bothers me in the last days is the community pressure to allow usage of some mods. This thing would require Square enix to evaluate every mod and check on every single update of those mods, this is just not happening, so the way I see it more likely, if people became too vocal, SE may just add anti cheat and block harmless mods too.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

this should be how the game should be streamed. no add-ons in sight. a vanilla experience to behold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hSuwKKxcmg

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I actually laughed. I was crossing my fingers that he'd end up playing some mid 2000s meme music at ultra low quality in the background.

there is the perspective of chat bubbles = probably using other add-ons. Scratch and sniff. If you use it yourself but don't stream that's not likely to harm anyone, like any UI change.

But if you stream or make any content, you are now subject to the FFXIV materials usage license. So it's a bit more than just no add-ons, it's also modifying the content in a way they don't approve, which was likely what they used to claim that youtube video.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

this should be how the game should be streamed. no add-ons in sight. a vanilla experience to behold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hSuwKKxcmg

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I actually laughed. I was crossing my fingers that he'd end up playing some mid 2000s meme music at ultra low quality in the background.

Disregarding The Accidental double post I made in my own thread.

So you are saying that essentially if I don't bring attention to using UI related stuff, it's not ban worthy?

I mean, I can understand things like textures and model tampering because folks can make priority targets larger. (Sorry folks that have those models that make the cat girl breaststroke the size of watermelons).

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

They know exactly why, what they want is to turn this game into World of Warcraft where addons are allowed to run rampant so they can effectively cheat their way through content because they are averse to putting actual effort into the games they play. This is a concerted effort to normalize these kinds of addons to the point the game will innevitably revolve around them like WoW has become, and it needs to be pushed back with absolute extreme force.

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Hyperbole thy name is yukiko

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Hyperbole thy name is yukiko

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What do you mean? If a white guy playing a cat girl with a Japanese name who hasn't played any aspect of the game that even remotely benefits from addons, can't push back with ABSOLUTE EXTREME FORCE, who can?