Make all Tank AOE Combos Cones Please

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

As such, there's only one real difference between conal AoEs and radial AoEs: Radial AoEs sacrifice 3 yalms range and ~48 square yalms (at a 150-degree cone) area in FRONT of you to be able to also hit BEHIND you.

That can only be positive if you have enemies behind you... which is entirely within your ability to prevent. You're spending all that on the assumption you'd otherwise fail an exceedingly easy task.

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It's also entirely within your ability to ensure, by positioning yourself in the centre of the pack. It's not difficult.
Enemies typically cluster in a circle, not a triangle.
I have never, not once, had an issue hitting every mob in a pull with a radial AoE, other than the obvious ranged enemies who you need to kite around a corner, but that's true for cones as well. This argument assumes that PLD, DRK and GNB have all been failing to tank for the entire time they've been in the game.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It's also entirely within your ability to ensure, by positioning yourself in the centre of the pack. It's not difficult.
Enemies typically cluster in a circle, not a triangle.
I have never, not once, had an issue hitting every mob in a pull with a radial AoE, other than the obvious ranged enemies who you need to kite around a corner, but that's true for cones as well. This argument assumes that PLD, DRK and GNB have all been failing to tank for the entire time they've been in the game.

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What part of my post remotely says that it's hard to hit something with a radial AoE?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

there's only one real difference between conal AoEs and radial AoEs: Radial AoEs sacrifice 3 yalms range and ~48 square yalms (at a 150-degree cone) area in FRONT of you to be able to also hit BEHIND you.

That can only be positive if you have enemies behind you... which is entirely within your ability to prevent. You're spending all that on the assumption you'd otherwise fail an exceedingly easy task.

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Once gathered, you're going to hit them all, with no effort beyond selecting a target not way off to a near edge, regardless of whether you use a radial, conal, or linear AoE. The difference is merely range. Conals have 60% more range. Linear AoEs have 100% more range.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It's also entirely within your ability to ensure, by positioning yourself in the centre of the pack. It's not difficult.
Enemies typically cluster in a circle, not a triangle.
I have never, not once, had an issue hitting every mob in a pull with a radial AoE, other than the obvious ranged enemies who you need to kite around a corner, but that's true for cones as well. This argument assumes that PLD, DRK and GNB have all been failing to tank for the entire time they've been in the game.

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If you're remaining in the centre of the pack not only are you standing in all the mob aoes, but also directing them towards the party. This makes it unnecessarily difficult for the healer. If you're remaining in the centre of the mobs, as they die the DPS's AoEs will start hitting less unless you reposition to cluster them together, conal aoes let you damage the whole pack while doing so rather than wasting half the AoE.

The whole reason I started to main warrior was frustration with df tanks, so while I wouldn't say that PLD, DRK and GNB have failed to tank for their duration I will say that it very much depends on the player.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

If you're remaining in the centre of the pack not only are you standing in all the mob aoes, but also directing them towards the party. This makes it unnecessarily difficult for the healer. If you're remaining in the centre of the mobs, as they die the DPS's AoEs will start hitting less unless you reposition to cluster them together, conal aoes let you damage the whole pack while doing so rather than wasting half the AoE.

The whole reason I started to main warrior was frustration with df tanks, so while I wouldn't say that PLD, DRK and GNB have failed to tank for their duration I will say that it very much depends on the player.

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It's also going to mess with DPS, forcing them into enemy attacks, or just outright make it harder for them to hit everything with their attacks (starting off as a DRG in early ShB really made me appreciate WAR tanks, I only understood why that was after I started levelling WAR...)

Not sure why they don't just increase the AOE Range by 3-Yalms all around the Tank.

Then everyone would be happy.

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

Not sure why they don't just increase the AOE Range by 3-Yalms all around the Tank.

Then everyone would be happy.

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You realize the radial AoEs' radius was already increased, right? (Because, back then, some people did have trouble making the melee-range radius hit everything, at least without properly centering themselves, making radials actually trickier than conals. Linear AoEs were widened in that same patch.)

And not everything needs the Earthen Star treatment (arguably including Earthen Star itself).

I couldve sworn Flash has always been 5yalms :O

Give one tank a double circle combo, one a double cone combo, one a circle>cone combo, and one a cone>circle combo. Now they all play differently and you get more cones.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Give one tank a double circle combo, one a double cone combo, one a circle>cone combo, and one a cone>circle combo. Now they all play differently and you get more cones.

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WAR cone circle, DRK circle cone, GNB cone cone, PLD circle circle? BLU is of course customisible to the nth degree.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

WAR cone circle, DRK circle cone, GNB cone cone, PLD circle circle? BLU is of course customisible to the nth degree.

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It would probably keep it nearer to what it's always been and would fit the particular animations.

We can imagine a cone emanating from Unleash, for instance, but Stalwart Soul?

Total Eclipse could certainly go the way of Red Lotus or Howling Blade (essentially, Ilsbard's conal AoE that shaves some weight of Raubahn, but formerly 1.x GLD abilities) to make it a conal, but... need it be?

I'd almost rather see some semblance of shield skills come back, with absorbed damage then being releasable via Shield Slam -- which would then most make sense as a targeted conal or semi-circular AoE (with only the primary target getting stunned, at least for full duration).