Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

I don't think there's a statue of limitation for reports and consequently neither for bans/suspensions.
The only time I got a forum suspension(3 days) was because I started conversing with someone and they reported me for something I said to them a month or few ago.
Not to mention they take ages to investigate this could be a report from months ago finally coming to get you.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I do think there needs to at least be a decay on strikes over time because being able to potentially be permabanned due to multiple minor offenses over the span of your account's life is kind of stupid when you can get punished for silly reasons like the mentioned "griefing".

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There is a decay on strikes now. I think it's something like 6 years, if I recall what I read correctly.

Edit: Looked it up.

3-6 year minimum before strikes start decaying. I'd imagine the worse offenses are on the longer side.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I do think there needs to at least be a decay on strikes over time because being able to potentially be permabanned due to multiple minor offenses over the span of your account's life is kind of stupid when you can get punished for silly reasons like the mentioned "griefing".

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I personally think that a perman ban is only justifiable if a player go above and beyond. For other stuff, removing the ability to use certain features, like global chats or duty finder during X amounts of times should be enough.

At the same time, FFXIV is an extremely wierd game. If you block someone chances are said player can still end in your party via DF. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Shibi

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It's good advice I will say.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

I do understand your points, and so many times I feel for you as we have all had these parties. The ones to make your head hit your keyboard repeatedly.

I just mention - and I am trying to do it with the real respect you deserve here because you have valid points - that your delivery and "shortness" might pop-out sometimes without you realising.

I'm going to wish you the absolute best in your appeal and clearing of name.

It's one you will also have to work to move past the sting, it's tough to do from my experience - a permaban in another game, and a warning here - and I hope you can do that.

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I am much more mellow now then I have ever been, in fact. I might be short or blunt, but that is mostly on the forums. Much of what I have posted on here in regards to runs, is me simply venting. I do not criticize players in-game, and in fact, like I have stated previously, I don't even post my runs in the TfDF thread very often. If my opinions in other various threads about player performance is also being brought up, again, I am not just going into shout chat, or party chat and attacking players. I do not do that in-game.

This is very concerning to me, as 'warnings' are still pretty much permanent marks on your account. If I had actually participated in "grief tactics violations" I could at least understand why I received it, but I didn't. As stated, I have little patience, I wouldn't go out of my way to waste my time and the time of others to grief some random pug I will never see again. If my patience ran out I would instead simply eat the penalty and leave, as I often do nowadays. Yes, I am often blunt, and I don't explain my reasoning on why I am leaving in chat, but I don't believe I have to. I shouldn't receive a warning, just because my playstyle was interpreted by some player out for blood as "griefing". It is incredibly petty to report somebody, and whatever I supposedly did was such a non-issue a warning was the most they gave me. It's ridiculous.

This isn't something I deal with often. I have never been permabanned or suspended from any game, not even when I had more of an attitude when I was younger.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

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What helped me was to consider that some player what they are doing is the best they can give you and honestly, that's enough. Ideal? No, you are right. It's worth making a fuss about it? No, not really. At least in my DC bad runs are rare.

On another note: I think that keeping people to their own standard is a good attitude, as long you don't go out your way to do it. Looking for things "to be offended" and report sounds a perfect way to be miserable.

I wasn't aware you could be infracted for leaving a dungeon in the middle of a run. Someone could have a legitimate reason to up and drop, stuff happens IRL. I've dropped before mid run more than once for a variety of reasons, but I've never been given a warning for it.

First off I think you need to calm down a bit. Coming out this angry and overly upset about the whole situation won't do you any good, no matter how justified you think you are.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

as 'warnings' are still pretty much permanent marks on your account.

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Warnings will decay over time and you should be clean again in about two years. Given how "odd" and out of the spectrum this instance was according to your report, it's unlikely anything else will happen again in this period. So just try to relax and keep playing the game they way you have been up until now.

Obviously I don’t know all the details, so forgive me for playing devils advocate and/or offering criticism here.

You say you drop parties mid dungeon- that is your right to do so for whatever reason via the leave option. The game gives you the 30 min penalty and that should be the end of it. It won’t let you leave during combat, so party should be “safe”. It is a little weird to not excuse yourself, but that’s not breaking any rules.

If you are force DCing however, that might be considered breaking the rules. As a party member, if you suddenly DC mid fight as healer or tank they will likely wipe, then have to wait for the game to either understand you are gone for good, or for the party to decide to kick you and recruit a new member. Huge waste of time for them. Not saying you did this, but if so perhaps some insight on why someone might be upset with you.

As for healing, you said you choose to dps over something like raising. I can see how people will think that “you are the healer and it is your job to keep us alive and do raises”. Someone might have simply reported a “this player refused to do their job as a healer by letting me die, then refused to raise me”.

Moreover, your not talking in party might be seen as cold- it is a simple thing to just say “Ah you died.. no worries- go ahead and raise yourself and catch up”. Even with that I could understand a party member thinking “wtf, why not just swift cast raise me…?”

Again, I wanna stress my ignorance of your circumstances. Take this as just some thought on what might have rubbed people the wrong way, or how they might misunderstand your actions for malevolence.

Good luck with the appeal.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

What helped me was to consider that some player what they are doing is the best they can give you and honestly, that's enough. Ideal? No, you are right. It's worth making a fuss about it? No, not really. At least in my DC bad runs are rare.

On another note: I think that keeping people to their own standard is a good attitude, as long you don't go out your way to do it. Looking for things "to be offended" and report sounds a perfect way to be miserable.

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Yeah, and so I don't. If I have a problem, like I said, I just leave.

I do not report players, what I was saying earlier in the thread was just me venting about this "great community" reporting anybody and everybody for every minor slight, with the intent to get another player banned, no matter how petty. It's annoying. I have never played a game with a community that has such a large amount of players who take every single thing as a personal slight, and does this. All this warning is is confirmation of that. I am just very concerned, because now if my playstyle somehow offends somebody else that will be an actual strike. This warning was my buffer, something I would rather not have had my account associated with. It is disgusting, and nasty.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

I wasn't aware you could be infracted for leaving a dungeon in the middle of a run. Someone could have a legitimate reason to up and drop, stuff happens IRL. I've dropped before mid run more than once for a variety of reasons, but I've never been given a warning for it.

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I don't know if it was for that, it's just one of the more likely. A winter storm came through recently, and my internet was going out.

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

First off I think you need to calm down a bit. Coming out this angry and overly upset about the whole situation won't do you any good, no matter how justified you think you are.

Warnings will decay over time and you should be clean again in about two years. Given how "odd" and out of the spectrum this instance was according to your report, it's unlikely anything else will happen again in this period. So just try to relax and keep playing the game they way you have been up until now.

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Yeah, and the mark is also on my account forever, whether it's decayed or not, my account now has a history of "grief tactics". It's disgusting; a blemish.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

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I don't have anything to say to them. Simple as that.

I was actually having issues with my internet. I see no reason to ever fake a DC or whatever in the first place. If I hate my party I will literally just leave.

Yes, I think how I play healer could also be a general issue with players. They see me casting glare constantly and whine about it. They should have never died in the first place. It is not my place to sit here and babysit bad players. If they die it's their fault. If my swiftcast is up, I will raise immediately, if it is not up I will wait until it is to raise. I will not hardcast raise unless it is absolutely necessary, such as raising a tank, or the other healer, perhaps an RDM or something. Aside from that, I will instead glare.

Exactly. They should raise themselves, I see many players just wait for a raise after a boss fight, and I do not raise them. They should respawn and teleport so they don't have a debuff.

That is exactly what I think happened, somebody got mad and reported me, claiming I was griefing.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

If this was the instance that got me a warning (just a warning by the way, I didn't receive anything aside from that, so whatever I am accused of doing the GM didn't think was worthy of a ban).

I am under no obligation to give any player a reason for leaving a dungeon. I received my penalty for leaving, that is the punishment I knowingly took.

I'm the one who has been saying for years to not chat with anybody, because I am paranoid about being banned. I am the one who doesn't use a single curse word, because I am paranoid. I can pull up probably dozens and dozens of posts about me having concerns over the horror stories of people being banned. My obsessive paranoia of being banned is all the proof I need that I would NEVER intentionally "grief" anybody. There is a reason I am having an anxiety attack over this, and it is because I DID NOT DO IT.
I presume I am allowed to show a GM in a chat log? If not please tell me before I get banned.

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Good ol' SE. What you did should be in the email they sent you regarding the action they have taken against your account.

Either way it sounds and reads like you triggered someones snowflake syndrome, or you managed to aggrieve one of the many hyper toxic discord communities for FFXIV.