Petion to add a 7min invincibility to S Ranks upon their spawn.

I see no harm in a 5-7 minute window. It basically changes nothing except for early pulling, and while that's well within the rules, it's anti-social and not like catering to that type of player (who is less than 1% of the hunt community) is important. I really couldn't care less if early pullers and griefers are upset over a 5 minute wait. It's no loss. They've been using "but the rules allow it!" as an excuse to enjoy seeing other people upset for years.

Hunts have evolved from the initial intended purpose. They're community coordinated now and the devs can either choose to remove or rework the entire system, or embrace what it's become and improve it. But pretending it's still a small scale activity for whoever was in the zone at the time is being delusional. Especially when you create multiple "kill 1000 S rank" achievements or SS ranks.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It's overworld content, it's not designed to be tackeled by literally everyone on the server + others from other servers.
People have asked about this before and every time it's the same result. Learn to accept the idea that you are toeing the line with how the developers actually want you to deal with the hunt marks.

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This is always a bad look for developers to take. While they may have intended for hunts to be an activity for smaller groups of players, that simply isn't how the community has approached them for over half a decade now. Attempting to force it is not too dissimilar to what happened way back in Pagos. That mess forced them to backpedal hard because people outright refused to even touch the content. Unfortunately, hunts are too easy for such a protest to actually work but it still shows why strong arming your playerbase isn't a good look.

At this point, it isn't simply early pullers. People are using scripts, bots and other third party tools. Any argument for developer intent went out the window once that started to happen. Even the hunt Discords ruin it as their intended way is simply impossible nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

IStill, an invuln window is not the answer. I'd argue that removing tomestones (or at least the end game tomestones, poetics aren't a problem) would solve most of the issues. If hunts weren't such an easy source for end game currency, popularity would die quickly leaving the Hunt for those who actually enjoy the hunt part of it.

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I disagree. A 5-7 minute invuln window would impact virtually nobody except the people actively trying to be a nuisance. More often than not, people spawning S ranks prefer to wait so others have a chance to make it. Considering they put in the actual effort to spawn the thing, why should someone else—potentially from another world entirely—be allowed to swoop in?

Taking away tomes not only wouldn't be the answer but completely devastate hunts without accomplishing the intended goal. Now they're a niche activity almost nobody cares about, making it harder to even kill them. A ranks would be akin to FATEs: mostly dead content.

If no one jumps in on the fight he'll be stuck fighting it by himself and dying.

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Originally Posted by Juun

If no one jumps in on the fight he'll be stuck fighting it by himself and dying.

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while that would be an obvious solution that would require no outside intervention from GMs or YoshiP, in practice there is clearly some psychological mechanic that prevents the 'innocent bystanders' from letting the griefer get murdered by the hunt as punishment for griefing. Like some collective fomo kicks in or something that turns people's brains off.

To me, this feels a bit like the invader discussion in the Dark Souls franchise: just because the game allows you to do it, does that mean that you should? But on the defence of that franchise, they actually allow you to defend from invaders by putting limitations on how the invasion mechanic works. There is no such thing with hunts. Its a truly wild west FFA thing that evolved beyond its intended scope, and even more so because they attached very specific rewards to it which gives a larger audience incentive to do them. Probably just an oversight unless we want to speculate that there is some social experiment going on :rofl:

I just want an ingame hunt tracker.
The fact the 30+ players can gather Dwarven cotton bolls on Gilgamesh only to realize that the Kholusia S rank was stealth killed is just a cruel oversight.

Either add an invincibility timer or make it attackable once the spawner hits it. I find it ridiculous that a spawner can miss out on the hunt they put in effort to make available.

Rare spawns only worked in MMOs because servers only housed tens of thousands of people which lead to actual communities which lead to people able to blacklist others that were jerks like this (Early pulling rare spawns, ninja looting, mpking, ect.) Now we live in the world of instances and shards within servers full of millions of people. Once personal accountably was gone then everything that depended on it also suffered, world bosses included. At this point A and S rank mobs should be force spawned by trading an item or something. The ZNM system in XI was an amazing idea and I wish XIV would copy that system. You still give the farmers a reason to farm by looking for that rare item that lets you spawn the A or S rank. I wish we could go back to that time where we can do an APB and half of the server flies in but that time is lost and we need better options. The invincibility window seems more like a band-aid solution, I don't know.

A lot of valid points !
I would like to make a suggestion,
I do not hunt so I would love any feedback!
What if, instead of having the higher rank spawns be on such a long cooldown or a pain to spawn, we reduce the cooldown and spawn practice to be more akin to Eureka where one can prep a spawn and then prep it again after.. lets say an hour of downtime from it? or some form of things like that! Just an idea!

How is it griefing when its a first come/serve?

You dont own S ranks, nobody owns S ranks and nobody's getting other players killed over it, so not actionable.

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Originally Posted by Juun

If no one jumps in on the fight he'll be stuck fighting it by himself and dying.

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