PvP Rewards; 6.1 and beyond.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Do not mistake PvP with ultimate Content. There was SOME win trading and cheating in pvp, yes, but it is nothing compared to the 90% of players who RMT'd their 3 Legend titles.

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This is a boring argument, "Cheating is okay, because _______." Please keep the topic about PvP.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

They are going to release freshly exclusive rewards with the new crystal conflict mode, you should be looking foward to those (which I'm sure are going to be very cool because they'll want to bring as much incentive as possible to the new mode).

I think both approaches are respectable here, but I'm more on the side that previous rewards shouldn't be made available again, because it will cheapen the exclusivity of both past rewards and future ones (as it'll set a precedent). :(

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I think the system going forward is going to incorporate any item rewards released into a permanent shop. That's what the recent developer insight into PvP systems made the new reward system appear to be. This post is a plea to include as many items as possible. I think the best system is having all PvP rewards available to people willing to invest time playing PvP. This is potentially a great moment of change with the small-scale mode changing, so I hope the system changes are for a better game.

Exclusive rewards are great if there is legitimacy in their exclusivity. Due to the number of people breaking the rules outnumbering legitimate players I strongly believe this is a great option to improve PvP. It's not taking anything away from anybody. People achieved whatever they achieved plus their achievements are recorded on official leaderboards. Sadly, the PvP leaderboards have such a bad reputation due to the long-time increasing number of people breaking the rules for the exclusive rewards.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

he also said they dont plan on doing male viera or female hroth
never would add a job mid expansion after ninja
ishgard housing
flying in ARR
etc etc

don't take his word for gospel

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This is comparing apples to oranges. Adding a race, or a housing district, or flying, takes nothing away from any player, it just adds some dev cycles. However, adding past rewards that do not precisely match the effort required for said items at their original release can take away the feeling of accomplishment from those who rightfully earned them. When Yoshi-P says he can't add something, it's usually because it will take a lot of time and a lot of work. When he said he wasn't going to re-add past ranked items, it was because he respected what those players had to do then and there to achieve it. People trying to put these in the same vein do not understand this, or simply do not care.

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Originally Posted by brancinaed

Due to the number of people breaking the rules outnumbering legitimate players I strongly believe this is a great option to improve PvP. It's not taking anything away from anybody. People achieved whatever they achieved plus their achievements are recorded on official leaderboards. Sadly, the PvP leaderboards have such a bad reputation due to the long-time increasing number of people breaking the rules for the exclusive rewards.

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You keep using words like "many, high numbering, outnumbering, etc." in previous posts, but this isn't true at all when looking at the ranked system as a whole across all data centers. If anything, alt accounts and alt characters that are completely legal and not rule breaking at all, take up more space on a given leaderboard than anyone violating ToS. Perhaps because you are from Primal where it is probably the worst comparably to the rest of the data centers you may be more correct, but choosing to neglect the achievement of everyone else who rightfully made it is unjust. If you want to fight this fight, how about instead of stripping away the accomplishments of those who rightfully achieved their rewards, you make more fervent demands for SE to actually moderate the leaderboards? It's their job to do so, they are not, go after them and leave those who are not at fault be.

The conversation from the Live Letter announced two types or structures, and two types of rewards: Season and Series. Series will be akin to the "battle pass" whose item you can obtain from any previous Series, and because of the massive amount of complaints of the playerbase, will most likely be the main source for items like mounts and armor. Seasons, however, will be ranked, and whose rewards will most likely NOT available once the season is done. Again, due to the complaints, will most likely be the "calling cards" they had mentioned, with maybe(but not likely) items like mounts, weapons, or armor sprinkled in.

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Originally Posted by brancinaed

This is a boring argument, "Cheating is okay, because _______." Please keep the topic about PvP.

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Uhm, where did i say Cheating is okay? Not with one word did i say that, not even slighty anything into that direction. I just told you that there is way less cheated PvP Stuff than PvE stuff.

You are the one Saying that pvp is basically mostly cheaters. My entire post was about pvp, just including another Aspect of the Game to show how much you overdramatize the issue. I learned to play healer in season 1/2 So i would have faster queues and a better chance. I worked for my Top 100 Glam + Title and i find it disgusting when i see people that got carried for money or Wintraded. Yet it is far less present than you display.

You are just trying to completely negate any meaning to those Rewards by saying: " Yeah most cheated the stuff anyway so just make it available again" so it looks like it wouldn't be a big Deal if they give it out for some other activities in pvp.

In reality you just want stuff you cannot get and you absolutely do not care one bit for the Work MOST Top 100 Players put into the Rewards while you present yourself like a saint in some posts, just wanting the best for "everybody".
So please stop this nonsense and look forward to the new rewards everybody can earn no matter when instead of trying to rob other players of things they earned. (Yes, rare items are not Rare anymore when everybody can get them and the prestige that comes with them is the only reason people want them. No matter what you claim. Guess what? They are not special anymore when everybody has them and suddenly everybody will lose interest.)

I hope they bring back all the rewards from previous seasons as achievements or extremely low chance drops randomly.

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Originally Posted by brancinaed

Exclusive rewards are great if there is legitimacy in their exclusivity. Due to the number of people breaking the rules outnumbering legitimate players I strongly believe this is a great option to improve PvP. It's not taking anything away from anybody. People achieved whatever they achieved plus their achievements are recorded on official leaderboards. Sadly, the PvP leaderboards have such a bad reputation due to the long-time increasing number of people breaking the rules for the exclusive rewards.

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I know there are cheaters and they are even dares to provoke people on discord to duel in Wolf's Den, however, that do not serve as an excuse to take away exclusivity away from exclusive item.
No one is entitled to access to everything inside the game.
There will be always an item player is unable to access to, for example, legacy tatoo.
It is unique and only Character from 1.00 allows to have and it is exclusive item from SE for players to support this game at its toughest time.
Can you claim legacy tatoo should be allow to be access by every players?

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Do not mistake PvP with ultimate Content. There was SOME win trading and cheating in pvp, yes, but it is nothing compared to the 90% of players who RMT'd their 3 Legend titles.

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The difference being that ultimate rewards aren't limited. People who get carried or even outright cheat to get them aren't denying legitimate players a chance to get those rewards. This isn't that complicated to wrap your head around lmao.

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Originally Posted by AtomicBomb

Honestly, if SE decides to make Feast ranking rewards available again, it would leave such a sour taste that I would have trouble justifying subbing to this game anymore. I don't love FOMO more than anyone else, and I can dig if SE wants to try to new reward systems, but The Feast contract was "Now or Never". Are you going to renege on your promises, SE?

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I worked pretty hard to get all of the rewards for the yokai watch event the first time they came around, because I'd assumed the event would never come back and didn't want to miss out on that sick mount if it didn't. When I found out it did come back, my response was "fuck yeah, that's awesome for the people who didn't spend their entire weekend grinding fates like I did" and I was stoked for it because it meant more people would also get to use my favorite mount in the game, and didn't have to pigeon hole themselves into grinding like I had to get it. It even came back a third time IIRC, and I keep hoping it'll come back more because more people getting an old item I have will never take away the experiences I, and the people who got it that first time, share even if somehow every single member of the community got ten of them for free just for logging in.

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Originally Posted by Dewslam

I worked pretty hard to get all of the rewards for the yokai watch event the first time they came around, because I'd assumed the event would never come back and didn't want to miss out on that sick mount if it didn't. When I found out it did come back, my response was "fuck yeah, that's awesome for the people who didn't spend their entire weekend grinding fates like I did" and I was stoked for it because it meant more people would also get to use my favorite mount in the game, and didn't have to pigeon hole themselves into grinding like I had to get it.

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Please tell me you don't actually think a weekend of grinding FATES(that you cannot fail at) is equivalent to queueing ranked Feast(that you can fail at) for a month, or two, or three? You don't even have any of the Feast mounts or minions, what leg do you have to stand on even comparing the two?

I would really want to hear from people that every season ranked around 101-110. What are their tought about It? Is there someone of them around here?

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Originally Posted by Garten

I would really want to hear from people that every season ranked around 101-110. What are their tought about It? Is there someone of them around here?

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I mean, I missed two seasons back to back by less than a single games worth of points a while back. Yeah it sucked, but I only blame myself for it and in no way want those rewards I didn't achieve as it would cheapen their value even to me.