I've noticed a change in attitude as EW grows closer

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Joking means I am not a nice person?

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means you're a troll.

trolls usually are not nice.

It is kind of sad that these guidelines are even in place and they lead to passive aggressive behavior. That just means that people don't understand the guidelines or know how to be genuine. We don't need to be so critical of ourselves or others. We mess up and then we try again and improve.

Most friends and FC mates are generally tolerant of each other's mistakes. They guide you through things and they do it where you don't feel too terrible about yourself for making mistakes. Only imagine if that's how everyone acted and they don't have to be playing with friends or members of their FC. But there are people who are just naturally combative and live for conflict, in a FC or not.

I just started playing and the 'toxicity' is relatively very minor compared to the positive experiences we all have collectively. I get it from veteran players who I know are just burnt out and just want to get through a chore. I try not to get in too much of a headspace over people.

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Originally Posted by Novae

Hello OP,

Allow me to tldr you the next 30 pages:

- Yes this communtiy is shite, it's the most toxic community ever.
- No it's not
- Yes it is
-No
-Yes
-Insert mentor rant
-FF14 best community award
-Lol that's BS
-Someone will post about W2W pulls, or healer DPS
-Back to toxic community
-Lol no
-Err yes
-No
-Yes
-No !
-F yes !
-Repeat until friday.

You're welcome. See you in EW.

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Yep this accurately describes this thread, boring.

Generally people become less and less social as an expansion carries on. I'm sure next week people will be talking in dungeons and raids again.... for a while.

People could be rushing to finish some stuff but we're on the same DC and I'm not noticing too much of a change in PUGs.

I've only encountered talkative people a few times in my 3-4 months playing. Had someone whisper me in ishgard to say something rude about my character when I was a sprout lol. Have seen about 3 people saying reportable/bannable things in chat (one sprout talking about dps meters and insulting someone's dps) It's pretty similar to retail WoW for me in terms of how talkative people are in duty finder. I can't really speak for how things are in party finder since I haven't used it. The main cities are always quiet. Everyone keeps to themselves, same with every FC I've joined. I don't really mind, honestly. The most social MMO i've played was Classic Wow but that doesn't mean it's a better game than ffxiv to me

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

I joined at the beginning of the 'WoW Exodus' curve a while before all those allegations came out, and my first impressions of FFXIV were amazing; particularly from the community.

Everyone in FFXIV seemed extremely social, extremely helpful, and extremely patient, all things which I took full advantage of from level 1 all the way up to where I am now. I made a few cool friends and joined a FC, and had tons of fun hamming it up with people in the Diadem while I saved up for an apartment. I was having a blast!

But as time went on, it felt like all those chummy, friendly people stopped being chummy and friendly, with the pervasive attitude I felt shifting from social to... silent. No responses when I wave hi in dungeons, nobody wanting to talk in the Diadem, even Limsa is silent except for RP ads and RMTers.

And as time continued to pass even further, the silence turned into uncomfortable judgement. A situation that is recent in my mind is an Eden's Promise: Litany run that I was directly responsible for wiping once. I was being bothered by someone IRL and couldn't put my full attention into healing, and died a few times before the other healer couldn't take the stress anymore and died as well. I knew it was my fault, apologized, and got a very passive-aggressive response. We pulled again and I feel like I did a real good job. When we killed it I thanked the RDM for their help, and was met with another passive-aggressive response before everyone dipped out of the lobby.

Now, I'm not saying people aren't allowed to be passive-aggressive; I'll admit that I was pretty toxic too during my time in WoW (though I swore to leave it behind when I came here). But such a drastic change in attitude in both open world, low, and high level duties? What could have happened?

Did hardcore WoW players saturate the game? Did all the friendlier people leave to wait for EW? Am I just going insane and nothing has actually changed?

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"I'm not like the other wow refugees"

The further you progress, the more you'll run into cynical and jaded heels like me. We treat the young ones well, but we snicker when we see an icemage in expert roulette.

And people, in turn, snicker at me when I can't keep banana up on sam.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

People could be rushing to finish some stuff but we're on the same DC and I'm not noticing too much of a change in PUGs.

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Idk I've been noticing alot more ppl facetanking mechanics and laying on the floor lately. Especially in Bozja areas. I'm seeing wipes on the first boss of CLL, mass graves on CE's that didn't really have them before, Lyon DPS check failures, mass death everywhere in Dalriada and DR, etc... It makes me afraid to queue anything with savage, extreme, or ultimate in it's title right now.

Ah, yes. The Ol' FFXIV good WoW bad thread. I figured we were due for another one.

I'm still at a single 'jerk' encounter out of the 600+ dungeons I've been doing since coming back a few months ago so I'm gonna go ahead and say no, nothing's changed.