Some healers are taking the entire ogcd heal thing to the extreme.

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Originally Posted by lulunami

In order for GCD spam healing to be the most efficient, they would have to buff GCD heals and nerf oGCD heals. They could also increase the healing requirement so that the majority of casual healers would struggle to clear content.

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Always been wishing this day to come, sadly it seem it will never come.

@OP
I don’t think there is anything wrong with healer keeping teammate at specific % HP, as long as no one die and no HP% related mechanic is coming (like Kefka in savage). I do prefer keeping my teammate at higher % of HP or even full, for insurance, in case they made a mistake on avoidable AOE.

Yeah, im definitely one of these kinds of healers, rarely ever touch my gc heals unless I cant target enemies or just got to move out of the way and hp bars on the low end og which I just use the instant cast gc heals. Kinda wish they gaves healer swiftcast charges or something, Sch especially since their best shields are gc so tend to get very unused...

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Originally Posted by BlueMageQuina

A cohealer who doesn’t contribute to healing needs to be called out…

…but as a Glare Mage myself who does in fact contribute to half the required healing, I think it would be remiss to not offer the same issue from my perspective:

I only ever see SCHs or ASTs complain about my or other WHMs’ Glam spam when they themselves have poor resources management for their healing. When I put my Plenary up 2 GCDs ago because I lack weaving windows I am clearly indicating I’m going to Rapture, my cohealer will often Sacred Soil and Succor on top of my Plenary before the raidwide and Whispering Dawn and Indom after it. These are the healers who complain and think I’m not healing. They stack their resources and run out of anything other than their GCDs when I’ve been calculating half the required healing the entire time, then think I’m the problem.

Understand my kit and yours: personal DPS is literally all I’ve got going for me as WHM—finally WHM is the best at *something* for healers since ARR.

And I only have two oGCD aoe heals and only one is used for its healing by the way. I can’t be taking this oGCD thing too seriously if for me they barely exist.

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Ohhh god don't, as a whm mage main this I dislike the most, especially if it's 2x white mage in the party(alliance raids only)

I have seen my co healer blow their load to the tiniest amount of damage and they are legit out of all CDs by the 20-30second mark of the fight, which then forces myself to "guess who" with my own OGCDs because my co healer wants to be "THE" healer, so I just end up glare spamming for eternity cause when we get co healers like that....it legit sucks all the fun out of being a healer, and healing is boring already

It's just a headache to be in this situation

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Originally Posted by DJLovely

Expecting a white mage to heal you're a real kidder I'll tell you that.

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I remember back when people were surprised when i did dps. Now people are surprised when i prioritize keeping them alive over dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Miziliti

It's near the end of SHB. I'm starting to get fed up with it because I keep encountering more and more Glare mages who refused to even cast medica on a raid wide aoe when lilies and assize are on cool down. It used to be selfish SCHs (in HW) behave this way acting like a DPS, but after SHB, more and more WHMs just wants to Glare.

I've seen this extreme case multiple times in neir raid with first time players in party lately. One time I had to pretty much suffer as a SCH spamming shield, indom, and fairy on cd because this Glare mage won't heal the party past 50% without lilies. The Lily system might need a nerf if there are players acting like hard cast healing spell is a sin or something. Really threw the whole teamwork out of the window.

Well let me update a bit more: My party had 4 new players. I expect them to die a lot. Couldn't use aetherflow stacks on lustrate. I have to save them for indom. The co-WHM basically ignore all the healing timing and died multiple times at half hp still refusing to medica. Party wiped at twin bosses, red girl, and last boss with back to back raid wide aoes when I only had succor left. I just wanted to farm glams, but next time I rather eat penalty. This one case was the most unpleasant one so far.

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I mean, lilies are not even that great since WHM doesn't have much to do during their CD ... Plus in the NieR raids specifically the AoE damage output is so weak that only Assize and Asylum are usually enough to support the team with the other healer. As a matter of fact i almost never use lilies on any content except when there is a LOT of AoE damage coming in.

In your case, the WHM didn't contribute to the healing enough and you were unable to support the team by yourself ... which means that either your teammates took too much unnecessary damage, or you might need to improve on your resource management.

As a general rule though, don't expect experienced healers to top up the team/tank every time they take damage.
Our job is to make sure no one dies, that's it. Surviving with 10% HP and 100% is the same.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Ok, I'm going to go in here and it isn't going to be pretty. Buckle up.

Your mentality is a huge part of why healers are in this exact hole they are in. Neir AoEs are infrequent enough that a WHM can easily top people before the next AoE with Assize, Lilies and Asylum.

But no. You demand that they heal you back to full immediately after the AoE because otherwise your comfort blanket might get a bit ruffled. Oh noes :rolleyes:

The only reason you even suggest the Lily system might need a nerf is because you are butthurt that a healer prioritised their overall contribution over your feels. Get over yourself. By your very own logic, nerfing the Lily system would make things even worse. But that doesn't matter since you've got to put that healer back in their place and that's what counts right?

Your attitude and mentality disgusts me.

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Damn, Sebazy gone berserk here °°

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Can we please stop pretending that extreme playstyle players are some menace that's ruining the game?

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Oh, they are. Absolutely. the vocal minority of min/max players get a lot of changes fixed in favor of their fucked up ideology of what they think is right for the game. Same thing happened in FFXI, which had a lot more creative freedom. The extreme homogenization is a flawed but valiant effort to minimize exactly how much ammo extremist players have to complain about actually unimportant shit. Unfortunately, square dev's best known way to skill gate fights ends up being with dps and not other kinds of checks, so -naturally- you have these radical FFXIV players coming to the most obvious autistic solution "GCD is for damage" mentality that is inherently toxic to any other kind of player.

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Originally Posted by Chiraisu

Oh, they are. Absolutely. the vocal minority of min/max players get a lot of changes fixed in favor of their fucked up ideology of what they think is right for the game. Same thing happened in FFXI, which had a lot more creative freedom. The extreme homogenization is a flawed but valiant effort to minimize exactly how much ammo extremist players have to complain about actually unimportant shit. Unfortunately, square dev's best known way to skill gate fights ends up being with dps and not other kinds of checks, so -naturally- you have these radical FFXIV players coming to the most obvious autistic solution "GCD is for damage" mentality that is inherently toxic to any other kind of player.

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That's an awful a lot of words to say, "hEaLeRs ArE sUpPoSeD tO hEaL!"

On top of that, you absolutely miss the irony of you calling other people toxic with your mentality.

You can sit there and smash Medica II until the cows come home, just don't be surprised when people don't want you in their party.

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Originally Posted by Chiraisu

Oh, they are. Absolutely. the vocal minority of min/max players get a lot of changes fixed in favor of their fucked up ideology of what they think is right for the game. Same thing happened in FFXI, which had a lot more creative freedom. The extreme homogenization is a flawed but valiant effort to minimize exactly how much ammo extremist players have to complain about actually unimportant shit. Unfortunately, square dev's best known way to skill gate fights ends up being with dps and not other kinds of checks,

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At this point, if they don't want healers to have a lot of DPS buttons, I'm all for strengthening GCD heals while weakening oGCD heals so healers actually have a reason to use them, thus breaking up the one button monotony even more. Either that or introduce a mechanic to the other healers that requires constant attention like Astrologian seals.

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Originally Posted by Chiraisu

so -naturally- you have these radical FFXIV players coming to the most obvious autistic solution "GCD is for damage" mentality that is inherently toxic to any other kind of player.

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Please don't use mental conditions in negative context.

Hypothetical scenario:

Party running a dungeon, everyone is way under geared. Tank takes a ton of damage per auto attack from normal monsters and the dps take ages to kill anything.

WHM uses their OGCD heals, then just does dps the whole time, causing a wipe since those weren't enough due to the lack of gear.

Tank asks why they weren't healed. WHM says everyone tells them they aren't allowed to use ANY GCD on heals or they are a terrible healer. Meaning they can't use lillies or regens and such.

How does the party clear the content, per your own rules?

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

Hypothetical scenario:

Party running a dungeon, everyone is way under geared. Tank takes a ton of damage per auto attack from normal monsters and the dps take ages to kill anything.

WHM uses their OGCD heals, then just does dps the whole time, causing a wipe since those weren't enough due to the lack of gear.

Tank asks why they weren't healed. WHM says everyone tells them they aren't allowed to use ANY GCD on heals or they are a terrible healer. Meaning they can't use lillies or regens and such.

How does the party clear the content, per your own rules?

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Get better gear.