Wanna Glam it? Play it!

I am 100% behind this. It's how XI handles their glamour options, and it adds SO much variety to the outfits you can come up with. It's a lot of fun. :3

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Originally Posted by Herebedragons

I never said anything about "modern" casual. From what I've seen, at least 2 of the pieces you listed are most often used to create a casual look overall, a.k.a. it's not armor and certainly not something you would actually wear on the road or in a fight.

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The problem is, as I think I understand it then, that "dancer-appropriate" gear is at odds with anything you'd sensibly wear "on the road or in battle". It's light and showy, or you sacrifice the dancer-ness to look practical and that brings you back to wearing archer/machinist gear because those are the jobs whose basic concept overlaps better with travelling gear.

What style are you envisaging for your dancer that looks both dancery and battle-ready? Because I honestly don't understand what you are thinking of. None of the shirts look casual to me so I don't know quite what you're meaning by the term.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The problem is, as I see it, that "dancer-appropriate" gear is at odds with anything you'd sensibly wear "on the road or in battle". It's light and showy, or you sacrifice the dancer-ness to look practical and that brings you back to wearing archer/machinist gear because those are the jobs whose basic concept overlaps better with travelling gear.

What style are you envisaging for your dancer that looks both dancery and battle-ready? Because I honestly don't understand what you are thinking of. None of the shirts look casual to me so I don't know quite what you're meaning by the term.

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I probably use the term casual more loosely. I suppose, anything that has an irl equivalent that wouldn't be cosplay? When you said "modern", my mind immediately went to the casual attire from the Firmament, which is straight up modern street wear, so that might have been my misunderstanding.

As for what I consider both DNC-appropriate and battle-ready, I would say the female version of the obsolete android's cloak of aiming, or the edenmete bolero of striking/scouting. My current glam is more of a hybrid, probably closer to MCH, but it still kinda works for DNC. I would basically like my male DNC to look like this:

https://i.imgur.com/au6kB5Q.png

That's the DNC job card from Final Fantasy Mobius. Now, you're probably going to tell me that FFXIV just has a different idea of what a DNC should look like. But OP's suggestion would remedy that without encroaching on the lore (too much).

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Originally Posted by Aurida

Yeah but you can mix and match items in the 'try on' window between different jobs just fine. I'm not going to say it's non-trivial to make a whole system via which the game checks if you have another job leveled to be able to glamour X piece of equipment, but I will say that 'it might be difficult for the devs to do' isn't a reason that loosening glamour restrictions shouldn't be done. Even if it's a utility that's unique to the glamour dresser

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You can try on anything, but that's not an issue of modeling, they've already completed that, and modeling on the character is all you're looking at in the changing room. You're not actually equipping the items. The proposed system is much more complex than just things you could currently be wearing but are not.

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Originally Posted by Herebedragons

The person you quoted also said they were switching to male Viera come Endwalker, and would be looking at glamour options for male characters. Hence my comment.

I was more focusing on the gear sets you can get in exchange for tomes and tokens or the like. I tend to avoid casual wear as much as possible, and that makes it difficult to come up with glamours for a male DNC, precisely because there are less fitting options as soon as you move away from a casual look.

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This.

There's plenty of Glamour's that look good on guys (my current one for example) but there's not a lot that look good on guys AND fits dancer theme.

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

By the time I started playing these were already implemented so I've always wondered... What's the story behind the Replica Sky Pirate stuff anyway? What prompted the devs to just release a whole collection as level 1 All Classes gear and how do we get them to do so again?

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The original Sky Pirate and Sky Rat gear was locked behind the original Diadem. Since that version is no longer available, they made the Replica crafted versions, and unlocked them from class restrictions to make them more enticing to lure more crafters into the Ishgard Restoration.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

The original Sky Pirate and Sky Rat gear was locked behind the original Diadem. Since that version is no longer available, they made the Replica crafted versions, and unlocked them from class restrictions to make them more enticing to lure more crafters into the Ishgard Restoration.

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Ah, I see, thank you for the history lesson. So it's safe to say they added them under... extenuating circumstances? Would be a shame if those were all we're ever gonna get...

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Wait, REALLY?? Why a step back in XIV, SE? Why? D: I am now depressed.

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Probably because the rush to transform the mess of 1.x into 2.0 didn't work well with that system since they weren't focused on that at the time

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Wait, REALLY?? Why a step back in XIV, SE? Why? D: I am now depressed.

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nah its not a step back, xi's style lock was implemented AFTER xiv's glamours due to demand. it also works very differently.

and theres no gear locking by job or role in xi, even job gear can be equipped as a different job afaik. if you die from bad stats thats your problem

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

nah its not a step back, xi's style lock was implemented AFTER xiv's glamours due to demand. it also works very differently.

and theres no gear locking by job or role in xi, even job gear can be equipped as a different job afaik. if you die from bad stats thats your problem

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I don't quite get what you mean by 'if you die from bad stats, that's your problem". As it is in XIV, the glamour in XI is also just cosmetic. Your actual gear is still fully functional with all it's stats and bonuses.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Wait, REALLY?? Why a step back in XIV, SE? Why? D: I am now depressed.

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Honestly, I'd take XI's system over XIV's:

-You can use any gear on any job, as long as you can wear it normally (e.g., to use a level 90 ninja body piece in an outfit, you have to have leveled a ninja to 90).
-You can save up to 100 random outfits
-You can create/apply outfits anywhere in the game
-Doesn't use any sort of glamour crystal to apply
-You can use outfits that include higher level gear on a low-level job

The downside is that you do still have to keep the actual gear in one of your many inventories (XI gives you a rather decent amount of various storage for free), but the game is nearing 20 years old, so I can forgive some things. :P