Beyblade bosses need to stop

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Calling it now: Positionals have been removed in Endwalker because they're causing melee players too much stress.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Well they removed Accuracy requirements and removed Parry. If they remove positionals it just makes everyone's lives easier. As it stands...Tanks, Healers, Casters, ranged attackers don't have positionals to hit.

True North always felt like a band-aid for melee due to the way boss encounter design is.

On the other hand it opens the gates for lower skill level and makes certain jobs more boring because of the lack of them.

God forbid a Melee has to work to earn his damage, right?

I mean, a Caster needs to know every single safe spot in the fight to know when he's allowed to move, a Ranged DPS gets Support DPS numbers for not having to do that. Even Healers have to do a bit of Turret Fighting to increase their DPS or time heals.

But you want Melees to play like Tanks? Tanks get to play that way because they need to deal with Mitigations and boss positioning. Melee DPS gets to deal with positionals.

Bosses already have the largests of hitboxes and most mechanics puts you in Melee Range, you remove positionals and you'll just be nerfed to hell along with the Aiming classes.

Only class I've seen that requires heavy positional focus is Monk. Which I very much prefer the PvP system for Monk over the PvE system. Samurai only has 2 for building gauge and Dragoon generally only swaps position for WT/FC and Chaos Thrust. Positionals may as well be deleted at this point. And Ninja only has 3. Trick, Armor Crush, Aeo Edge. 2 of which are rear only.

If homogenization is the end goal may as well scrap it like they did with Parry.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Only class I've seen that requires heavy positional focus is Monk. [...] Samurai only has 2 for building gauge and Dragoon generally only swaps position for WT/FC and Chaos Thrust. Positionals may as well be deleted at this point. And Ninja only has 3. Trick, Armor Crush, Aeo Edge. 2 of which are rear only.

If homogenization is the end goal may as well scrap it like they did with Parry.

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Did These jobs used to have more positionals?
How many more did they used to have?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Did These jobs used to have more positionals?
How many more did they used to have?

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Pretty sure Dragoon used to have a positional on Full Thrust and not just Chaos Thrust. Think they changed it since a majority of Dragoon just flatout ignored positionals and weren't punished as much as Monks were. Monks hitting all their positionals meant high personal DPS which they took a hit on if they missed them contributing to a much lower DPS.

Chaos Thrust puts you into position for it's 4th hit in the combo and you switch on the 5th.

Ninjas only really had 2 they needed to hit and were primarily used for Trick Attack for the damage window.

Samurai as is only needs to hit 2 for the guage gain since the gauge translates into DPS for their skills.

I feel like over time with each expansion the need to care about positionals is ever so slowly dissipating.

It's about making you dodge, and move, all while maintaining an optimal output. How you do that is a measure of your skill, not closing your eyes and regurgitating a rotation you've committed to memory, anyone can do that..

Dragoon used to have positionals on Heavy Thrust (side) as well as the entire chaos thrust combo (rear), and if you missed the positional you didn't get the buff (heavy thrust gave a damage buff), didn't apply debuffs (piercing resist down from disembowel and dot from chaos thrust), and if you broke positional on say, disembowel or impulse drive, your combo chain was broken.