Worried for SCH

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Ok this is the 5th or 6th time ive seen MCH referenced as some sort of golden child of reworks and im convinced either its from Non MCH mains, new players or people that dont dps which is fair

but for god sakes MCH isnt what reworks are supposed to be!! What they actually did was removed several central mechanics gave it to DNC then continue to replace most of its kit with GCD that add as much to a job as a very flashy painting adds to a car, that is to say bugger all. No ammo, no free reign turrets, no support, no interesting or unique mechanics all out the window for the sake of accessibility

Wishing for SCH to be like that is having it have 4 skills in its kit with a designated "heal" button. Im obviously blowing this out of proportion but MCH is the rework that made way to numerous bad decisions like how they handled BRD, AST, MNK, and im confident many more jobs to come. Lets not wish the same treatment

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I came to the conclusion that I sort of agree with your POV about MCH's simplification. It's my main job atm and I love it, but more for the visuals and feel of using all the different gadgets rather than it having an interesting gameplay.

Though, given that state, it defnitely has clear open paths for EW introducing new mechanics to it... And as long as it doesn't involves absurd amount of RNG or ping-unfriendly mechanics like SB's iteration, I'm fine with it.

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Originally Posted by Newtt

I absolutely loved Scholar in Stormblood, (when i started playing).
I didnt like most of the changes in Shadowbringers, but stuck with the job because of its visuals and I like using a book for a weapon.

But with Sage coming out, I'm worried SCH is going to get sorta left behind. Especially that Sage will be the shield healer without having to deal with the pet AI.

Im really hoping for a semi SCH rework, similiar to what they did with MCH.
And praying for some update to the pet AI. Also losing a 'Whispering Dawns' when transis
tioning between Seraph and fairy

Sorry for the rant but I'm just wondering if anyone else has the same feelings.

Thanks for your time

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Don't worry! I am sure that Scholar will be reworked to make room for Sage in the same fashion that Bard was reworked to make room for Dancer...

Uh oh.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I don't know how many times this has to be explained:

DISSIPATION DOES NOT AFFECT ABILITIES. It only affects spells. Physic, Adloquium, Succor. That's it. Those are the ONLY spells it affects.

Those 3 extra stacks of Aetherflow you get when you lose your fairy for 30s? Dissipate will affect zero of the abilities that aetherflow consumes.

3 actions out of a total of 11 healing actions are affected by Dissipate, of those three you might only use one (Adlo). And you lose your fairy to do it.

That is why Dissipate is extremely underwhelming

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I apologize, Deceptus. My understanding of the buff was incorrect. It is odd how it works, isn't it? It really should be a buff of the abilities we need the aetherflow stacks for in the first place.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

I love Dissipation and how Scholar has an actual healing rotation. The fact Dissipation only works on spells and removes the fairy told me I should only be using Dissipation if I don't need my fairy. I should be using Fey Union if I don't need Seraph. It creates this interesting script because everything fits together effectively. WHM and Astro can literally combo everything they have all at once and its bit overwhelming when every skill does the same thing and can be used together. How much is too much. No one's gonna complain if you use Temperance, Asylum, and Plenary Indulgence to press cure Cure 3 once but its most likely a waste and a ton of overhealing for the average raidwide. Scholar forces you to space apart your tools so there is always something available. When you do it right and the puzzle pieces fit together over a dungeon or trial right on time it's incredibly rewarding to me. I hope they leave Dissipation as it is. Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination, Fey Union, and Seraph are not difficult to use outside of the tiny Dissipation Window. Removing Dissipation would ruin a lot of what I enjoy about the class. It's a tactical healer and strong abilities that demand their own solo time to shine is what makes Scholar Tactical.

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That's my feelings also. I've been a white mage since I began playing; but, I've noticed that in spite of the job's issues, I enjoy enjoy playing scholar more.

It feels like I'm doing more than throwing mana at a problem. I am using my wits and my toolkit to overcome the game's challenges. It's way more rewarding.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I think it's fair for people to be worried especially based on track record and direction. I know my main one is between how they're gonna handle the Pure/Shield heals split, they never stopped SCH being classed as a shield healer, yet, it has functionally drifted away from playing as a shield healer over time because of its boosts to pure healing.

But yeah, that's all they can be at this stage, a worry. What we do know have the potential to be good and it's going to depend on execution and what else they do.

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I'm trying to empathize with the worry but at the same time it just seems to be a massive waste of breath until they confirm it so.

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Originally Posted by Brandedblade

I'm trying to empathize with the worry but at the same time it just seems to be a massive waste of breath until they confirm it so.

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I feel like it's a massive waste of breath either way right now. Sure, there are reasons to be concerned given the track record for healing changes, but the concept of pure/barrier healers can really go in a lot of different directions. A lot of people are complaining, but about what? We don't really know what we're looking at until we get more details.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I feel like it's a massive waste of breath either way right now. Sure, there are reasons to be concerned given the track record for healing changes, but the concept of pure/barrier healers can really go in a lot of different directions. A lot of people are complaining, but about what? We don't really know what we're looking at until we get more details.

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a lot of the same thing was said with people not knowing what the [shadowbringers combat overhaul] was going to look like, and look how "well" that turned out.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

I apologize, Deceptus. My understanding of the buff was incorrect. It is odd how it works, isn't it? It really should be a buff of the abilities we need the aetherflow stacks for in the first place.

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I actually think it should go in a different direction, where it instead buffs all Spell potency, giving it a DPS aspect. The other change would be to merge it and Seraph into one button so that it alternates between both, with the additional stipulation that they gain charges to facilitate using both where you want to. This would also enable buffing or adding another trait to Seraph as their shared cooldown would likely settle on 90s with two charges, effectively nerfing Seraph’s actual cooldown by a minute.

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Originally Posted by SpiralMask

a lot of the same thing was said with people not knowing what the [shadowbringers combat overhaul] was going to look like, and look how "well" that turned out.

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I think being fair here, this didn't really happen until the media tour where we knew plenty enough, people said "wait and see" and turned out right, because the people saying it knew what they were talking about, including all the complaints I made back then.

As it stands, even with the problems/concerns I've highlighted myself and even created a thread about are still in a "wait and see" phase because the information is lacking. Whilst my pessimism and cynicism wants to take centre stage, because of track history, but I need to at least give room for them to get it right before I cast judgment.

Hence why, I think it's fair to have concerns and worries, but too early to have judgments, because we know very little about how the stuff we do know is going to be implemented and based on what we do know, that'll be the make or break. Because the shield healer/pure healing dichotomy is a good idea, because it worked in 2.0 but how they implement this could be great and be good for healers because it means every healer has to be balanced against 1 healer, so I can see the potential. The potential can include more uniqueness between them because balance is easier.

They also recognised healer downtime, but only acknowledged it in context of high end content, but if they don't handle the dichotomy right and let some of SCH's shield redundancies continue & SGE is balanced againt that then that falls flat. If the downtime issue is only addressed for high end content, then that falls flat, especially for a semi-casuals like me who maybe does highend stuff once a week or once every 2 weeks.

At this point what new skills/abilitied could they add that are new to healers and SCH specifically?

Another healing CD? Old abilities comming back with a fresh coat of paint? Rouse, Bane, Virus, Shadowflare..

Really, the only things they can add that our kit lacks are DPS abilities or utility. Adding another healing CD won't add anything new or interesting. (Unless they delete something first. Again.)

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Originally Posted by SpiralMask

a lot of the same thing was said with people not knowing what the [shadowbringers combat overhaul] was going to look like, and look how "well" that turned out.

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Right, but what are you going to do about it? You say look how well that turned out as if this is somehow the answer that we've all been looking for. If only we complained about hypotheticals more on the forums during Stormblood, then the healers would all be exactly what we wanted them to become in Shadowbringers? Because me saying "hey we don't know what will be good or bad yet because we don't even have a semblance of an idea of what the healers will look like yet" is the thing that's keeping us from perfect healer design.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I think being fair here, this didn't really happen until the media tour where we knew plenty enough, people said "wait and see" and turned out right, because the people saying it knew what they were talking about, including all the complaints I made back then.

As it stands, even with the problems/concerns I've highlighted myself and even created a thread about are still in a "wait and see" phase because the information is lacking. Whilst my pessimism and cynicism wants to take centre stage, because of track history, but I need to at least give room for them to get it right before I cast judgment.

Hence why, I think it's fair to have concerns and worries, but too early to have judgments, because we know very little about how the stuff we do know is going to be implemented and based on what we do know, that'll be the make or break. Because the shield healer/pure healing dichotomy is a good idea, because it worked in 2.0 but how they implement this could be great and be good for healers because it means every healer has to be balanced against 1 healer, so I can see the potential. The potential can include more uniqueness between them because balance is easier.

They also recognised healer downtime, but only acknowledged it in context of high end content, but if they don't handle the dichotomy right and let some of SCH's shield redundancies continue & SGE is balanced againt that then that falls flat. If the downtime issue is only addressed for high end content, then that falls flat, especially for a semi-casuals like me who maybe does highend stuff once a week or once every 2 weeks.

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Exactly. I even said in the initial post that there are plenty of reasons to be concerned, but yelling about things that don't exist yet isn't actually any way to organize any meaningful information.