Spoilers: Theory for Pandaemonium Story

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

[W]hat were those giant bugs with the carriages(Gargan Roo)? Those were also original to 9, as far as I know.

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The bugs were themselves known as Gargans; aside from Gargan Roo (a facility built for quick travel between Alexandria and Treno) they also live in the wild in another cavern known as Fossil Roo as well as around the Iifa Tree's roots.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I'm pretty certain we already got Zorn and Thorn in the form of the Jongeleur twins in Eulmore - they wore similar outfits, spoke in rythme and were jesters-turned-lackeys for a morbidly obese and antagonistic monarch (they didn't turn into a monster though) - they even had a similar theme, albiet a track from FFIV though (Dancing Doll Calcabrina).

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They are certainly a reference to Zorn and Thorn, though they aren't a raid boss or anything. We also haven't seen them since freeing Eulmore... Maybe they could turn out to be more than just other brainwashed Eulmorians.

FF9 is my favorite in the series so I'll take literally anything from it lmao

Fandaniel's architecture in the trailer does look very Terran, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Pandemonium pulls more from 9's version than 2's.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

They are certainly a reference to Zorn and Thorn, though they aren't a raid boss or anything. We also haven't seen them since freeing Eulmore... Maybe they could turn out to be more than just other brainwashed Eulmorians.

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Didn't we kill them when we stormed Eulmore before fat boy grew tiny wings and somehow flew away to Mount Gulg.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Didn't we kill them when we stormed Eulmore before fat boy grew tiny wings and somehow flew away to Mount Gulg.

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We did. It's really weird, too. Every other NPC was under Vauthry's control except for them. One would think it meant there was something special about them, but then they just... died, and that's the last we ever hear of them.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

We did. It's really weird, too. Every other NPC was under Vauthry's control except for them. One would think it meant there was something special about them, but then they just... died, and that's the last we ever hear of them.

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Wait, did they die? I think during the Story fight you defeat them, but did it specify that you kill them? Everyone else was just KOed.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Wait, did they die? I think during the Story fight you defeat them, but did it specify that you kill them? Everyone else was just KOed.

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Alphinaud says something along the lines of "Since these guys aren't mind controlled and are doing this of their free will, we'll show them no mercy." Usually, that means death. Or at least to me it highly suggested death, the same way we killed Ran'jit because he was serving out of free will.

I mean, they're not explicitly dead. Like I said, their fight with us was the last we ever heard of them. Nobody ever mentions their bodies, living or otherwise. Even Ran'jit got a "Nobody knows what happened to Ran'jit's body." comment, but the girls? Nothing at all.

If the writers had any plan to bring them back, they've had a wealth of opportunities to do so. I'm not holding my breath for a surprise appearance in the hinted at but not confirmed festival Ryne and Gaia are working on for 5.5. Or for them to turn out to be Ryne's older sisters, having come to Eulmore as a package deal with her, thus giving them an avenue to know any hidden truth about her. Or to fuse together into a Ferdiad/Forgiven Rebellion clone. Or anything at all.

Pretty sure they're stone cold dead just like their father, Ran'jit.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Pretty sure they're stone cold dead just like their father, Ran'jit.

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None of them are confirmed to be dead or alive, but given the First's story is (for all intents and purposes) finished at the moment, I doubt it'll come up as an issue in the near future.