Foresight for 5.5 - Character Death

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

There was a MASSIVE hate train for Minfilia for a long time. As a result, they slowly phased her out, and basically made a new more likeable version of the character. She essentially got replaced comic book hero style. (It honestly reminds me of when Wally West replaced the Flash in the comics, only The Flash didn't die. He was just stuck in the speedforce and eventually saved. Though both are beloved by the fanbase..)

Anyway..

I think it's entirely possible that Lyse might die. She's disliked by many, and Square might be willing to repeat a Minfilia to get rid of dead weight with her.

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I like Lyse.... she's been one of my favorite characters. BUT personal opinions aside, she's already been largely written out of the story with her becoming the leader of Ala Mhigo. We'll only really interact with her now when the story takes us back there, similarly to how we only interact with Hien or Aymeric when we're dealing with the goings on of Doma or Ishgard. Killing of Lyse would only lead them to have to make more quests resolving the absence of a leader in that nation.

Also we can rule out Alisaie and Alphinaud since they were already in the teaser trailer for 6.0 and I would say Y'shtola is safe because of plot armor. (She's been dying since 3.1 but they seem to have handwaved her using her own aether to see killing her) I also agree with an earlier post that no one from the trust system is going to be killed off. So as far as characters of any significance goes, the main ones are probably Krile and Tataru. Though it's also possible it's someone who was a minor character before who gets build up in the story now only do die at the end of the patch, or who gets introduced only to die (see also Moenbryda)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

On the other hand, Lyse is another would-be candidate to fill a melee DPS slot, and she hasn't gotten the job... though it could still happen in future, of course. One way or the other, they're not going to announce her as a trust right now when the last chapter ended with a cliffhanger as to whether she's okay.

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Didn't they show a screenshot from 5.5 of all the Scions and Eorzean Alliance leaders gathered together at a meeting table? Lyse was there. That kind of shot the cliffhanger in the knee.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Didn't they show a screenshot from 5.5 of all the Scions and Eorzean Alliance leaders gathered together at a meeting table? Lyse was there. That kind of shot the cliffhanger in the knee.

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That depends on when in the patch that meeting takes place. Chances are good, the meeting with all the Alliance leaders is one of the first things that will happen in the story in response to all those towers popping up all over the world.

A company should never listen to character death wishes of the community in form of "I hate character x, please kill them off" or other crap, nor use them for cheap drama.

As for PC dying: GW2 did have the PC "die" at one point, where they ultimately came out by gathering enough external life force(?) within in-verse rules by defeating a monster who just happened to collect enough of it.

My personal hope is that one or two of the Scions bite it. We need actual consequences. However, given that nobody has died since Heavensward, I'm not hopeful. They killed off Gosetsu... and then brought him back in the same expansion. And they hyped up G'raha Tia's demise and didn't follow through on it.

Also, the Trust system shouldn't be indicative of plot armor.

If you thought they were "hyping up" G'raha Tia's death, then you had a gross misunderstanding of that plot point of Shadowbringers was. They plainly spell it out that self-sacrifice isn't a cure-all for every problem and G'raha Tia's martyr complex was going to cause more issues than it would solve.

If people think that character death is the only "consequence" of story that matters than I'm glad the writers don't read the forums.

Y'shtola seems most likely to me.

She's still building that debt using up her personal aether to be able to see and which Matoya warned would kill her eventually. It's not like Emet Selch cured her when he brought her back from the life stream. I was very surprised that wasn't mentioned during the mother porxie segment but I doubt SE has forgotten about it.

If you run G'raha in Trust as DPS, he's essentially BLM just as she is. That surprised me. I was expecting to see him go back to Archer as he was when we first met him considering his arcane ability was supposed to draw from the Crystal Tower, which technically he shouldn't be doing anymore now that's he's sealed it back off. Why BLM? Perhaps because that's a hole that will need to be filled in Trust soon just as Estinien is replacing Ryne.

G'raha's fading blood of Allagan royalty is plot armor for now. I'm expecting it to be useful when we get to the moon.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I like Lyse.... she's been one of my favorite characters. BUT personal opinions aside, she's already been largely written out of the story with her becoming the leader of Ala Mhigo. We'll only really interact with her now when the story takes us back there, similarly to how we only interact with Hien or Aymeric when we're dealing with the goings on of Doma or Ishgard. Killing of Lyse would only lead them to have to make more quests resolving the absence of a leader in that nation.

Also we can rule out Alisaie and Alphinaud since they were already in the teaser trailer for 6.0 and I would say Y'shtola is safe because of plot armor. (She's been dying since 3.1 but they seem to have handwaved her using her own aether to see killing her) I also agree with an earlier post that no one from the trust system is going to be killed off. So as far as characters of any significance goes, the main ones are probably Krile and Tataru. Though it's also possible it's someone who was a minor character before who gets build up in the story now only do die at the end of the patch, or who gets introduced only to die (see also Moenbryda)

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They could easily write her out and replace her with Raubahn. Nobody would bat an eye to the change, because he's been associated with a sign of leadership for so long. In fact he would probably make a more popular leader than Lyse would. Raubahn and the Sultana are incredibly popular together

As a result all the Eorzean and Eastern alliance leaders would be shocked, reinforcing the fact that our leaders CAN die. Yes that would them all at risk, but it's a risk that might add more weight to death in the story.

Plus with Raubahn and Nanamo each leading the more arid of the city states, it would lead to a healthier dynamic. They could begin retooling Ala Mhigo to actually be a functioning and visitable city state, instead of just a gorgeous picture with a bland set of unvisitable windowed boxes.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

They might do a fakeout with the WoL. But I cannot see them actually kill them. It is the player character after all. What are they going to do, have us pretend our character is a new, different character starting with 7.0?

Anyhow, as to who might kick the bucket. As long as it isn't Y'shtola I can deal with it. Though personally.. let them please, for the love of god rid us of Lyse, she should have died with Papalymo, foregoing the whole 'Yda is actually Lyse' shtick.

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Yes, makes a perfect setup to another ARR like restart. The warrior of light already got "restarted" story wise from 1.0 to 2.0. By the end of 6.0 we'd be level 90 and it would be the perfect setup for a reset back to 50.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Plus with Raubahn and Nanamo each leading the more arid of the city states, it would lead to a healthier dynamic. They could begin retooling Ala Mhigo to actually be a functioning and visitable city state, instead of just a gorgeous picture with a bland set of unvisitable windowed boxes.

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There were a series of quests about this already in (I think) 4.1

I do think it's disappointing that there's no way to really visit the city proper, there actually are things they've done to start rebuilding the city into being self sufficient. They're actually one of the world's premier traders of salt, working through the Ul'Dhahn syndicate to sell the salt to the culinarians of Limsa Lominsa. You can actually even go to the Lochs and see NPCs farming the salt in parts of the zone. Ala Mhigo's problems are that unlike Thanalan, their mountains don't contain much ore, and much of the land isn't great for agriculture (this is part of the reason that before ARR, Ala Mhigo attempted to conquer some of the lands belonging to Gridania)

Selling salt and stone is the economy of the city.