Anybody else got tired of scripted fights?

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I think what most people mean with scripted fights in XIV are the fights where you can determine exactly at which minute/second into the pull the boss is gonna do xy mechanic and it will always do this mechanic at the exact same time.

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I think that's my favorite part about the fight with bosses when I'm tanking: when certain parts of the fight (depending on group performance) seem to match (from my perspective anyway) where I am on my chosen rotation, it feels really good to me.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Video Games in general is about learning patterns.

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I don't doubt that, but Absurdity here gives a good point about it:

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I think what most people mean with scripted fights in XIV are the fights where you can determine exactly at which minute/second into the pull the boss is gonna do xy mechanic and it will always do this mechanic at the exact same time.

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And this is exactly my issue with it. This and almost every mechanic being about positioning. There is position mechanics that I like, Tsuky moon stacks are my favorite, but for the most part it's "don't stay here, you either die yourself or/and drag your whole party with you". And there's no way around it at all, you just have to dance with all those aoes. But how much more fun it would've been if there was a way to stop that aoe dance and to replace it with something else, like healcheck or something, idk. I wish we got more players responsibilities beyond just moving ourselfs from place to place. I wish we could deny bosses their abilities not by just burning their hp down.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

But how much more fun it would've been if there was a way to stop that aoe dance and to replace it with something else, like healcheck or something, idk. I wish we got more players responsibilities beyond just moving ourselfs from place to place.

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As a non-healer, a heal check is a non-mechanic for me. That's not more player responsibility, just shifting of responsibility.

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I wish we could deny bosses their abilities not by just burning their hp down.

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We already do, by doing mechanics: stacking, spreading, dodging, mitigating, healing, etc.

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Originally Posted by linayar

As a non-healer, a heal check is a non-mechanic for me. That's not more player responsibility, just shifting of responsibility.

We already do, by doing mechanics: stacking, spreading, dodging, mitigating, healing, etc.

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That's why there's "idk" as I coudn't think of more examples. I shoud've been more presice in that, I guess.
You know what's my favorite normal raid so far?
A9, the one where you need to ressurect the mobs and kill em in different spot so they melt and boss can't use their parts for himself. I love OT it, it's way more fun than running around being blue dps. It also pushes a bigger pressure on healers if people don't stand behind cover on raidwide, tho I think if you messed up, you should be the one getting punished, not your healers. And it requares for dps not midlessly beat one target and one target only, you need to pay attention to what you kill and where.
Granted, I never done this raid in HW, as I started playing mid-SB, and don't know how hard it was at the release, but given how even now people wipe there due to their need to not switch targets or hold on to dps a little bit, so tank can position Faust and tanks properly... Something like this should appear more often. Dps can drop scraps whenever they want, it doesn't need to be at the exact predetermined spot, it just needs to provide cover. MT have to dcd enough, cuz boss still punches pretty hard. OT have their own minigame with adds. And heals have to be on point, you can't really go yolo here and push all resposibility to co-healer. I'd imagine people wiped less in here if they were prepared by something similar earlier in the game in one form or another.

The way it's being run feels like we're still in year 2 of a new mmo. More things should have changed by now in the 7 years since v2.0, they just don't want to because repetition makes for smoother game development and new players keep pouring in regardless. Plenty more life could be added to this game despite its aging engine, but it would probably need the old guard to step aside and let new blood run with their creative ideas. If the next expansion is still carbon copy gameplay with updated art then I might quit.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I've been over heavily scripted fights since ARR. But I also understand this is not a game of strategy.

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Bosses used to be more complex in termes of strategy in ARR (one only needs to go in some <50 dungeons to notice it). The problem with current bosses is that they ve been heavily streamlined since heavensward and a lot of mechanics are being recycled from one boss to another since HW.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

I don't doubt that, but Absurdity here gives a good point about it:

And this is exactly my issue with it. This and almost every mechanic being about positioning. There is position mechanics that I like, Tsuky moon stacks are my favorite, but for the most part it's "don't stay here, you either die yourself or/and drag your whole party with you". And there's no way around it at all, you just have to dance with all those aoes. But how much more fun it would've been if there was a way to stop that aoe dance and to replace it with something else, like healcheck or something, idk. I wish we got more players responsibilities beyond just moving ourselfs from place to place. I wish we could deny bosses their abilities not by just burning their hp down.

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Sometimes I wonder if the combat mechanics that are always Positionals / Kill X before bar fills are because of an actual decision of them not to risk the combat design out of their "comfort zone" or it's because of the old sphagetti code structure...

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Bosses used to be more complex in termes of strategy in ARR (one only needs to go in some <50 dungeons to notice it). The problem with current bosses is that they ve been heavily streamlined since heavensward and a lot of mechanics are being recycled from one boss to another since HW.

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This exactly.
I love myself a good re-use, but the way it is now, it's not even funny anymore.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

That's why there's "idk" as I coudn't think of more examples. I shoud've been more presice in that, I guess.
You know what's my favorite normal raid so far?
A9, the one where you need to ressurect the mobs and kill em in different spot so they melt and boss can't use their parts for himself. I love OT it, it's way more fun than running around being blue dps. It also pushes a bigger pressure on healers if people don't stand behind cover on raidwide, tho I think if you messed up, you should be the one getting punished, not your healers. And it requares for dps not midlessly beat one target and one target only, you need to pay attention to what you kill and where.
Granted, I never done this raid in HW, as I started playing mid-SB, and don't know how hard it was at the release, but given how even now people wipe there due to their need to not switch targets or hold on to dps a little bit, so tank can position Faust and tanks properly... Something like this should appear more often. Dps can drop scraps whenever they want, it doesn't need to be at the exact predetermined spot, it just needs to provide cover. MT have to dcd enough, cuz boss still punches pretty hard. OT have their own minigame with adds. And heals have to be on point, you can't really go yolo here and push all resposibility to co-healer. I'd imagine people wiped less in here if they were prepared by something similar earlier in the game in one form or another.

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Uh, so you do know that A9 is essentially about positioning and burning things down, right? I don't mind it myself, but I prefer A5 as an OT, though it suffers from too much DPS, causing more skipped mechanics from what I can tell in the last few runs I've had of it.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

And this is exactly my issue with it. This and almost every mechanic being about positioning. There is position mechanics that I like, Tsuky moon stacks are my favorite, but for the most part it's "don't stay here, you either die yourself or/and drag your whole party with you". And there's no way around it at all, you just have to dance with all those aoes. But how much more fun it would've been if there was a way to stop that aoe dance and to replace it with something else, like healcheck or something, idk. I wish we got more players responsibilities beyond just moving ourselfs from place to place. I wish we could deny bosses their abilities not by just burning their hp down.

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But that is FFXIV gameplay, dodging. We've had certain dungeon boss fight that just did random but it never really caught on.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Bosses used to be more complex in termes of strategy in ARR (one only needs to go in some <50 dungeons to notice it). The problem with current bosses is that they ve been heavily streamlined since heavensward and a lot of mechanics are being recycled from one boss to another since HW.

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Very true but unfortunately the majority of the community couldn't do it. Labyrinth of the Ancients was very mechanic heavy for example. Steps of Faith was another one people couldn't do.