Rework of unsynced system an mentor system

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

If you dont think new players enjoy ex then you've never seen the excitement of a new players clearing one synced.. theyre excited they jump for joy the scream in relief.. making it threw a hard fight even if it takes almost the entire time is what they are there for.

Its the thrill of a 1% wipe of knowing you'll beat it the next pull.. its seeing a new mechincs an aceing it right after..

Just because you don't wanna spend a hour teaching someone how to do a fight dosnt mean the new players don't wanna do it..

If you can't dedicate yourself to what fight you get placed into by the roulette then you shouldn't be doing that roulette..

Mentor MSQ Alliance of these see so many people give up just because they don't wanna be there or they cheat to get an easy fight..

Just stop doing it if your not going to help if your not going to teach.. if your not going to be the mentor you said you'd be

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Ok, let's figure out what a mentor should do. Screenshot from the game.

https://i.imgur.com/67WfCaL.png

And what about mentors' roulette? Let's read this page:

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Battle Mentors will also gain access to Duty Roulette: Mentor, which assigns players to duties that are struggling to fill party member slots.

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And what is the result? Any player can leave duty if something does not suit them. Mentors are no exception. They get their half-hour penalty.

A lot of mentors do not make mentors' roulette although they have access to it. Does this mean that they are bad mentors and do not help newcomers? Nope.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

Ok, let's figure out what a mentor should do. Screenshot from the game.

https://i.imgur.com/67WfCaL.png

And what about mentors' roulette? Let's read this page:



And what is the result? Any player can leave duty if something does not suit them. Mentors are no exception. They get their half-hour penalty.

A lot of mentors do not make mentors' roulette although they have access to it. Does this mean that they are bad mentors and do not help newcomers? Nope.

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#2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.

Yelling at new players or even older players to do fights unsynced... demanding to be kicked from thr trial because it's not worth your time.. afking the entire fight because they wouldn't kick you.. refusing to even attempt to guide the players on an Ex trial..

This is exactly what is being talked about.. remove the ability to unsync a fight until its been cleared synced.. that will keep the people i mention above out..

Will some bad ones still slip in.. sure but you can be pretty dam sure they actual did the fight they were brought into by the roulette if the change was made

Lol. This will fix it. Oh wait, no it won't but it'll make me feel better. Thats your argument in a nut shell.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Lol. This will fix it. Oh wait, no it won't but it'll make me feel better. Thats your argument in a nut shell.

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Yeah it kinda will fix things.. because the next time I'm doing a ex trial an it gets filled by another mentor besides myself ill know that they actual cleared this fight before.. or are looking to clear it again to re-gain access to mentor roulette.. thus ensuring that they won't abandon the other players in the trial or demand special treatment to a kick so they don't get locked out..

So what I think you ment to say way this will help.. just not helpful for the bad mentors out there.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

#2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.

Yelling at new players or even older players to do fights unsynced... demanding to be kicked from thr trial because it's not worth your time.. afking the entire fight because they wouldn't kick you.. refusing to even attempt to guide the players on an Ex trial..

This is exactly what is being talked about.. remove the ability to unsync a fight until its been cleared synced.. that will keep the people i mention above out..

Will some bad ones still slip in.. sure but you can be pretty dam sure they actual did the fight they were brought into by the roulette if the change was made

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Point #1: provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.

People being rude about it isn't conductive, but the fact remains, telling a DF EX trial group to do it unsynced is in fact good advice - Because the groups you'd find in DF are vastly incapable of completing anything besides the easiest EX trials that can be gigantically outgeared to kill it before major mechanics. So telling them to use a system that allows them to have a great chance at clearing the content is good advice than continue using DF to futiliy try and eke out a clear by finding a bingo group among a sea of doomed ones.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Yeah it kinda will fix things.. because the next time I'm doing a ex trial an it gets filled by another mentor besides myself ill know that they actual cleared this fight before.. or are looking to clear it again to re-gain access to mentor roulette.. thus ensuring that they won't abandon the other players in the trial or demand special treatment to a kick so they don't get locked out..

So what I think you ment to say way this will help.. just not helpful for the bad mentors out there.

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Or the actual reality: anyone who cares about Mentor roulette will do all of them in PF, then immediately bail and continue the same pattern again if they get EX in DF since it's not worth it, making your whole system pointless.
Alternative likely outcome: The EXs never pop since the amount of people that would care to re-unlock mentor roulette with all that criteria would basically be <1% of current mentors, completely defeating the point of your system and preventing you from ever using DF for EX's.

The simple reality is that EX trials don't belong in a roulette alongside things as trivial as Guildhests. If you're that adamant about doing trials synced with your buds, find a group of 7 others or PF it. Nothing will stop people understanding that EXs are a waste of time in mentor roulette and bailing. and if you implement punishments harsh enough for leaving, they'll just fake D/C or not queue at all; harming the dungeons/guildhests/normal trials/normal raids that could use the mentor roulette peeps to fill them out and actually have a chance at clearing.

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This is exactly what is being talked about.. remove the ability to unsync a fight until its been cleared synced..

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Considering the feature was added specifically to help people clear old (as in, not current xpac) unpopular content that nobody does anymore, this is unlikely.

Also as pointed out above, clearing a fight "normally" still does not mean you'll want to run it with randoms.

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Or the actual reality: anyone who cares about Mentor roulette will do all of them in PF, then immediately bail and continue the same pattern again if they get EX in DF since it's not worth it, making your whole system pointless.
Alternative likely outcome: The EXs never pop since the amount of people that would care to re-unlock mentor roulette with all that criteria would basically be <1% of current mentors, completely defeating the point of your system and preventing you from ever using DF for EX's.

The simple reality is that EX trials don't belong in a roulette alongside things as trivial as Guildhests. If you're that adamant about doing trials synced with your buds, find a group of 7 others or PF it. Nothing will stop people understanding that EXs are a waste of time in mentor roulette and bailing. and if you implement punishments harsh enough for leaving, they'll just fake D/C or not queue at all; harming the dungeons/guildhests/normal trials/normal raids that could use the mentor roulette peeps to fill them out and actually have a chance at clearing.

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This person knows what's up.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Point #1: provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.

People being rude about it isn't conductive, but the fact remains, telling a DF EX trial group to do it unsynced is in fact good advice - Because the groups you'd find in DF are vastly incapable of completing anything besides the easiest EX trials that can be gigantically outgeared to kill it before major mechanics. So telling them to use a system that allows them to have a great chance at clearing the content is good advice than continue using DF to futiliy try and eke out a clear by finding a bingo group among a sea of doomed ones.



Or the actual reality: anyone who cares about Mentor roulette will do all of them in PF, then immediately bail and continue the same pattern again if they get EX in DF since it's not worth it, making your whole system pointless.
Alternative likely outcome: The EXs never pop since the amount of people that would care to re-unlock mentor roulette with all that criteria would basically be <1% of current mentors, completely defeating the point of your system and preventing you from ever using DF for EX's.

The simple reality is that EX trials don't belong in a roulette alongside things as trivial as Guildhests. If you're that adamant about doing trials synced with your buds, find a group of 7 others or PF it. Nothing will stop people understanding that EXs are a waste of time in mentor roulette and bailing. and if you implement punishments harsh enough for leaving, they'll just fake D/C or not queue at all; harming the dungeons/guildhests/normal trials/normal raids that could use the mentor roulette peeps to fill them out and actually have a chance at clearing.

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1st one the advice do it unsycned isnt always helpful.. quite often the group that loaded into by DF are actually there because they wanna do it synced..

2nd im perfectly fine with the mentor system being dropped down to arouns 1% of the current ones we have.. as a lot of them aint doing anything to help currently..

Also as per my original post a faked D/C would result in a kick from party.. which as a mentor would result in a lockout upon returning to the game.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

1st one the advice do it unsycned isnt always helpful.. quite often the group that loaded into by DF are actually there because they wanna do it synced..

2nd im perfectly fine with the mentor system being dropped down to arouns 1% of the current ones we have.. as a lot of them aint doing anything to help currently..

Also as per my original post a faked D/C would result in a kick from party.. which as a mentor would result in a lockout upon returning to the game.

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Oh? and what if someone has an internet outage or a spotty connection for 30mins? Are you going to punish them too because nature dictated they had to D/C?
Welcome to the catch 22 of punishing D/Cers and why Square doesn't implement any. Because they'll impact genuine cases as well as those of people who want to circumvent, and there's no way to tell them apart from a coding point.

Also, considering how rare it is to get EX in Mentor roulette anyway, leaving just the single EX isn't going to impact them much with your punishment, since chances are very high that's the only mentor roulette they're leaving that day.

If they have the mindset to do it synced, there's PF, where they can recruit others that align with their mindset, rather than roll the dice and hope they get what they want (which will vastly not be the case.)
teaching people to use unsync, or to use PF to find like-minded individuals to find a full party are factually good advice. Mentors have to deal with less, doomed to fail EX attempts, people who want to do synced find like minded individuals instead of getting sore that recruiting random people didn't give them exactly what they wanted, everyone wins.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Oh? and what if someone has an internet outage or a spotty connection for 30mins? Are you going to punish them too because nature dictated they had to D/C?
Welcome to the catch 22 of punishing D/Cers and why Square doesn't implement any. Because they'll impact genuine cases as well as those of people who want to circumvent, and there's no way to tell them apart from a coding point.

Also, considering how rare it is to get EX in Mentor roulette anyway, leaving just the single EX isn't going to impact them much with your punishment, since chances are very high that's the only mentor roulette they're leaving that day.

If they have the mindset to do it synced, there's PF, where they can recruit others that align with their mindset, rather than roll the dice and hope they get what they want (which will vastly not be the case.)
teaching people to use unsync, or to use PF to find like-minded individuals to find a full party are factually good advice. Mentors have to deal with less, doomed to fail EX attempts, people who want to do synced find like minded individuals instead of getting sore that recruiting random people didn't give them exactly what they wanted, everyone wins.

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If theyre a mentor then yes.. d/c and being kick will result in a 30min punishment.. if theyre not a mentor then no they'll be just fine.. this post is about fixing unsync an mentors not punishing the rest of players.. just those who agreed to do more for the community..

I'm assuming by your 2nd paragraph you didn't read all of my original post.. the 30min lockout is base.. it doubles everytime they do it for that entire week.. 30min on first.. 1hr on 2nd.. 2hrs on third and so on.. sure some might only get the 30min in a full week.. but if your leaving instances left an right you'll be locked out for a good bit by the end of the week.

Sure people can use party finder.. but at the same time using duty finder you should expect to find a group that will actually attempt the fight.. not immediately leave after hurling insults or calling the fight unwinnable..

Oh look, another suggestion of how to finally kill the mentor system for good...