Do u think jobs will get new skills in 6.0

Yeah, definitely. I can already see a lot of possibilities for things they could do. Just to name a few...

RDM could maybe ditch Moulinet, make the enchanted version of their combo cleave for some %, then make AOE versions of their finishers. Vermeteor would be awesome.

Before GNB was released, we heard talks of some kind of ammunition system with different cartridges. Maybe trim stuff like Sonic Break and bring this in.

SCH lost most of its offensive repertoire, and instead got more healing buttons that accomplish less work. Can easily dump Fey Blessing (and honestly everything related to the fairy gauge) and give it more to do when healing isn't required.

Just a few examples. Definitely a lot of fat you can trim to make room for new and meaningful ideas.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Maybe trim stuff like Sonic Break.

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Absolutely not, the removal of Scourge and Fracture from Drk and War was a terrible idea. Drk especially

That said I would support the removal of Shirk (with only tank stances on/off now, its pretty much useless) and if something absolutely has to go, it should be Camouflauge, as it doesn't really work very well as a defensive cooldown and Heart of stone is better anyway and more frequent

One thing for GNB I wouldn't mind changing is consolidating Jugular Rip, Abdomen Tear, and Eye Gouge into one button, so when you fire off your rotation with Continuation you hit "1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2" instead of "1, 2, 3, 2, 4, 2". That would help cut down on bloat and free up some space for new abilities.

I mean, a big part of advancing your job to higher levels is new things. Plus almost inevitably they'll want to change how the jobs function which should necessitate some shifting and additions/subtractions.

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And how would that make things better exactly? So, every melee job is reduced to a few buttons similar to healers or what?

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Instead of having buttons that only exist to be pressed to enable other buttons, you make them their own thing.

Instead of going chain starter, thing that restores resource, actual impact skill, 2nd chain starter (if it's not the same as the first button), second middle ability (if it's not the same as the first middle skill) 2nd button you want to press, youd have something like:

Filler ability
Ability that adds x debuff or buff
Ability that keys off mob having x debuff
Higher potency attack
Ability that keys off something else
And so on

Some with long cooldowns, some activated only if certain conditions are met (which could be, but shouldnt always or usually be, random proc chance), some that work best after other skills, ect.

Theres a LOT of things they can do with ability use that breaks away from the 123124 or 123456 or 135246136245 theyve adopted

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

That said I would support the removal of Shirk (with only tank stances on/off now, its pretty much useless) and if something absolutely has to go, it should be Camouflauge, as it doesn't really work very well as a defensive cooldown and Heart of stone is better anyway and more frequent

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Shirk is very useful when you have to deal with a tankswap mechanic and the other tank does not provoke for whatever reason. Kinda crazy when it happens but it still does.
Camouflage works very well as a defensive cooldown in dungeon runs as it's still a 10% damage reduction. GNBs that use Camouflage to reduce the damage on each incoming hit (works very well on trash packs and in large numbers because parry triggers more often as a result). With Aurora being a Heal over Time, it works well as a sustain. Its effects are just less pronounced in bossing since Camouflage demonstrates its ability best in multi-hit attacks. You can think of it as an extra Reprisal with procs.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

Absolutely not, the removal of Scourge and Fracture from Drk and War was a terrible idea. Drk especially

That said I would support the removal of Shirk (with only tank stances on/off now, its pretty much useless) and if something absolutely has to go, it should be Camouflauge, as it doesn't really work very well as a defensive cooldown and Heart of stone is better anyway and more frequent

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Nah. As a WAR I don't miss that at all. I get people's logic about DoTs can consistent damage but GNB already has a DoT they can tune for that.

Edit - For Shirk, I'd maybe change it to be an enmity dump that doesn't require a target. Would make it more compatible with alliance raids and world content.

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Originally Posted by Videra

'Heavensward button bloat' was a myth. All the consistent expansion re-works have done with FFXIV is dumb down classes and remove systems, like TP, aggro management via shirk before just ripping out the concept of stances entirely, cleric stance - which was divisive - and many, many other we've regrettably lost as time has gone on.

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There was button bloat but they were just the skills were the ones that may as well have not existed because you set them and forgot them like Ninja/Monk Stances, or skills that may as well have not existed for how useless they were like Featherfoot/Haymaker/One-Ilm Punch. The problem was they also wiped out skills that weren't bloat like Touch of Death and Phlebotomize, and most of the "bloat" they removed going into Shadowbringers really weren't or they were making a change they should have made in Stormblood where they were making Gauges a thing.

What do I think will happen? I'm sure we will get at least a couple of new skills for every job.

What do I want to happen? That really depends on the job. I love the way that RDM and SAM feel right now and would actually just prefer some slight upgrades here and there. The only "new" move I'd like to see would be a little more variety for RDM in AoE. I don't play BLM but I've heard many people who play it also think it's pretty much in the perfect place right now and adding more skills could just ruin it. For other jobs, though, even a few new skills wouldn't be enough as they really need more major reworks. MNK needs a complete overhaul and MCH really needs another pass to make it feel right.

So, basically, I think what they really need to do is actually take it on a job by job basis. Rather than force themselves to give every single job a bunch of new stuff, I think they need to spend their time wisely just barely touching the already good jobs and use most of the time to fix the jobs that just aren't right.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Nah. As a WAR I don't miss that at all. I get people's logic about DoTs can consistent damage but GNB already has a DoT they can tune for that.

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You probably didn't miss Fracture because it wasn't well designed. It wasn't that much stronger than anything else but most importantly it didn't build beast gauge. They simply needed to adjust the potency to make it "worth it" or give some gauge and it would have been perfectly fine.