The irony here is that your response is exactly the sort of behavior and mindset I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Losara
You have somehow twisted what I said into me "criticizing people" and "telling them they aren't performing well" so I shouldn't be surprised.
No, I did not criticize people and neither did I tell them they suck. I asked if they could help with something and if they think that translates into an attack on their performance then that is on them.
The healer was healing great meaning they were performing just fine but their dps would be a nice added bonus to make the dungeon go faster.
I'm tired of people reading so far into what I'm saying that the original meaning gets lost as well as putting me in the spot of being the bad guy.
I. asked. a. simple. question. That's it. They could even say "No" for all I care if they aren't comfortable or maybe too tired since I understand we are all just humans.
Influx of stubborn players in the Duty Roulettes
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11-09-2019, 01:58 AMAmiRose
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11-09-2019, 02:05 AMRasikkoI deal with this so much, can definitely relate.Quote:
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11-09-2019, 04:50 AMSieneskaSanuraWait, it's not? I thought you had to go through it at least once if you didn't skip the story?Quote:
Originally Posted by tinythinker
On topic: The number of times I've been tanking, and noticed that the healer is making the same mistakes I used to make (using hardcast heals constantly, not DPSing - especially on WHM when Holy would be amazing tohelp with incoming damage) and stopped and said "Hey, would you mind me giving you some tips?" and either got "$%^& off"or been told that I don't know how to play said class because I advise against using Cure/Benefic/Physick and that they should focus on non-hardcast heals is unbelievable. -
11-09-2019, 05:56 AMMeanDragonIt is not required. I didn't do it for awhile until I started a second class. And I only did it then because it gives you some good gear that can carry you for quite a few levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura
That begin said, it isn't very useful. It tells you to avoid AOE and to heal your friends, but it doesn't put you in a party and show you how to scroll through members. But the Brand New gear sets are cool. -
11-09-2019, 09:04 AMAyer2015
If you think FF14 is bad, try using LFR in WoW. Its a whole different level of ineptitude and shitty attitudes.
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11-09-2019, 11:48 AMGeminaYour advice was unsolicited, and that's is likely why the healer got snippy with you. No matter how good your intentions are, you are literally being what you are trying to avoid, and your efforts are counter-productive. Even if the healer was receptive and started using Holy for mitigation and ogcds to heal, it would at best have made a small fraction of a difference as far as total run time goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura
You trying to get the healer to play in a way you find acceptable very likely added more time to the run that could have been avoided if you didn't say anything at all. And for what? Do you have any guarantee that your advice would be retained? Echoed to other WHMs? Will be grouping with this player again in the future, or bringing him/her into a static? If the answer to any of these is "no", then that is time and energy wasted my friend.
Oh and BTW, you also might want to consider that the healer was hard casting their heals because he/she doesn't trust you, and the synergy with you is nowhere to be found. Again, these gripes are very one-sided. It's so very easy to point fingers, or think they are being pointed at you, and if a run is going fine for the most part, then there isn't a whole lot of reason to say anything in the first place. -
11-09-2019, 01:11 PMTaleraRistain
Nope, haven't really noticed anything and you're on my server and I almost exclusively PUG. There's an occasional tough group here and there but for the most part we're all just trying to get through things and everyone's doing what they can to finish the run with little drama or trouble.
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11-09-2019, 02:09 PMSieneskaSanuraActually, when I do notice such things, I'll ask - during a pull - if I can offer some advice. I either get told "No $%^& off" or a receptive response. When I get the latter, I offer the advice on how the job is supposed to be played. From time-to-time, after said advice is given, I am met with "Do you even know how to play WHM? Cure procs a free Cure II" (Neither of these spells should be relied on, certainly not Cure, considering the sheer power of Regen and the instant cast heals WHM has access to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
You say "play in a way I find acceptable" as if healers standing there, AFK between heals, just waiting for something to hit with Cure is in any way acceptable when their providing damage would speed up the run and is, in fact, the way healers are supposed to be played. I have seen several healing guides (I was not a strong healer back in WoW, so I have kind of gone overboard on reading up on healers for when I play them) that have said "DPS is not something you do when there is nothing to heal, it is something you stop when you need to heal" Any healer worth their salt knows that oGCDs and instants come before hardcasts, and any WHM worth their salt knows that Holyis literally external mitigation for tanks. There's no reason not to use it. -
11-09-2019, 04:12 PMGeminaWhy would you ask during the pull? That's not even down time. Everyone should already be burning down the mobs the tank pulls with ranged and other skills they can fire off while running.Quote:
Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura
As a controller user, I would immediately be annoyed if someone asks me pretty much anything outside downtime. I have to put my controller down to type on my keyboard, and I can't be bothered during pretty much the entirety of a dungeon run as there is very little downtime if everyone is on their game.
You're not telling me anything I don't know already. I honestly no longer care to partake in 'should healers be DPSing' arguments as I have grown quite tired of them over the years. You can trust that I have a pretty good idea on how to be a more than bare minimum healer. What I am telling you is that regardless of the time the healer could save by contributing to DPS and playing the job more optimal, you are adding to whatever disruption you feel this healer is causing. If you can't see this, then you are right on the same level as the healer you speak of.Quote:
You say "play in a way I find acceptable" as if healers standing there, AFK between heals, just waiting for something to hit with Cure is in any way acceptable when their providing damage would speed up the run and is, in fact, the way healers are supposed to be played. I have seen several healing guides (I was not a strong healer back in WoW, so I have kind of gone overboard on reading up on healers for when I play them) that have said "DPS is not something you do when there is nothing to heal, it is something you stop when you need to heal" Any healer worth their salt knows that oGCDs and instants come before hardcasts, and any WHM worth their salt knows that Holy is literally external mitigation for tanks. There's no reason not to use it.
It is going to be disruptive for trying to get a healer to DPS nearly 100% of the time. The reason for this is because if they don't do it, you will still get though the dungeon just fine. It will just take a little longer. However, if they go AFK during a boss with TBs and stack markers, or during large pulls then you're not going anywhere. That said, if a healer is not providing heals when they are needed to keep the group sustained then by all means say something. Quickly.
Save your energy for trying to coach up a healer for those who will be receptive of it. These are NOT going to be strangers in a PUG. -
11-09-2019, 08:08 PMConnor
In the 6+ years I’ve been playing this game I honestly don’t run into these super ‘unskilled players’ that often. I’m not saying every party is perfect, but in my experience most parties have performed well and each party member was making an effort in one way or another.
I mean, of course there’s things like healers that don’t/only DPS, DPS that won’t use their party buffs, tanks that don’t use cooldowns, etc. But I don’t feel like I see them frequently and when I do they generally still fulfil what’s expected of them (keep party alive, defeat the enemy, keep enmity and don’t die, those kind of things).
Personally if I’m in a party and I see someone performing very poorly, I just try and adjust what I’m doing to compensate for what they’re missing out on. Like if I’m paired with a healer that won’t nuke and I’m on Scholar, I just use more Aetherflow on Energy Drain and forgo shields more often since I know the other healer will probably top everyone off. As a DPS I always play either Bard, Dancer or Summoner, so if the other damage dealers are using party buffs at least I know I can put them up myself. And if they’re getting hit by aoe often I keep an eye on them for when to use Minne/Curing Waltz to help keep them alive, and Summoner has Raise for the worst case scenario.