Please explain, as if to someone who doesn't know anything about economics, why this is so horrible to have? (the option to buy from other servers, not the china thing)Quote:
Originally Posted by Azureskies
As a casual omnicrafter and marketboard dabbler all i've noticed is that I now have options to get my mats and desirables at cheaper prices. If I sell stuff at reasonable prices they still sell decently. How is this hurting our economy?
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07-19-2019, 06:54 PMKrotoan
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07-19-2019, 06:57 PMSpiritMuseIt's not. OP is just upset that he can't sell to people from other servers at the same inflated prices they have in their local MB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
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07-19-2019, 06:59 PMKrotoanPersonally it feels like that, but I'm open to hearing a reasonable explanation of why it's actually bad. However I cannot for the life of me find anything but benefit in the current system.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiritMuse
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07-19-2019, 07:02 PMAzureskiesNo you are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camiie
If china was only able to sell to china and someone from any other country went and bought "X" amount of "Y" good and then they go and sell it in their home country for a 75% profit what happens? The prices in china (that can ONLY SELL THE THIS CHINESE) go up to the lowest common denominator (being the highest priced country). Hurting china immensely by not being able to sell directly to that/those countries.
Let the sellers themselves put it up on those servers so the middle men get 0% cut or restrict the markets. If pooling the markets so it is just one MB is not possible right now due to technical limitations then it needs to go back to restricted per server because this is insane.
And anyone who doesn't understand this is either 1, in on the middle man BS or 2, doesn't understand why a buyers only market system is ruining every market and not just the ones you want to fix.
The best part about all this is im not even a crafter so i have no conflict of interest. -
07-19-2019, 07:05 PMNedkelThey are never good because you guys dumps prices to ridiculous low amount. Anything that is not lvl 80 mat is like dirt and because of it new players struggle to get any gil at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doljax
Low prices are bad, gil cidculates slowly and there is less opportunity for average player to make good gil on mb.
If there is anything, people visiting low populated servers are completely destroying their economy, they lower prices to vendor selling price and anyone on the server playing will struggle to gain any gils because THERE ARE MORE SELLERS THAN BUYERS AND MARKET BALANCE IS COMPLETELY messed up.
The person visiting other server should not be able to sell stuff on it. -
07-19-2019, 07:11 PMAzureskiesIf china was only able to sell to china and someone from any other country went and bought "X" amount of "Y" good and then they go and sell it in their home country for a 75% profit what happens? The prices in china (that can ONLY SELL THE THIS CHINESE) go up to the lowest common denominator (being the highest priced country). Hurting china immensely by not being able to sell directly to that/those countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
Let the sellers themselves put it up on those servers so the middle men get 0% cut or restrict the markets. If pooling the markets so it is just one MB is not possible right now due to technical limitations then it needs to go back to restricted per server because this is insane.
Copied from another post I made but sums it up pretty well as to why it is a bad why to go about trying to balance out markets. -
07-19-2019, 07:25 PMDoljaxThis problem was not caused by cross-world buying. Yes, some mats don't sell well on the marketboard. Find the ones that do, and farm and sell those. There are plenty that are sub-80 - and even sub-70 - which sell for a pretty penny still. Elementary MMO money making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
Low prices are good, because it makes DoH classes easier to level, which in turn allows people to produce items that are worth something. A player not doing research into what they can capitalise on to make money is not an issue caused by cross-world trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
If only there was some kind of measure through which it could be stabilised; something through which prices could reach something of an equilibrium. Also, the problem of mats selling for vendor prices was not caused by cross-world trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
They should, because it has not as of yet had a demonstrably negative impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
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07-19-2019, 07:29 PMKrotoanQuote:
Originally Posted by Azureskies
How does this still figure though if the same people the person buying cheap and selling TO can travel to the other servers anyway? It costs nothing to them to shop prices. If people want to pay a premium to be lazy that's fine, but intelligent buyers are shopping around now. This isn't the same as international trade since there is no infrastructure cost other than time.
The only thing I can see this affecting is people who corner markets simply because of limited availability or population. A person who used to be able to sell say.. the Taoist shirt at 30 mil because nobody on their server was organized enough to do the runs or nobody was doing the runs or nobody bothered to level the necessary skills now has to sell it cheaper because on the larger servers in their data center its a more reasonable 2 mil (or whatever it is right now, I bought mine a long time ago) .
The only thing I see this "ruining" is huge profit margins for crafters on smaller servers.
Yes this hurts your profits, but that Gil also goes farther now because those same crafters/farmers can take advantage of the cheaper prices as well.
If your goal however was only to build Gil because you like high numbers... well that does suck, but that's not economy, that's just greed. -
07-19-2019, 07:43 PMAzureskiesThat is why I phased it the way I did. There are tons of details about real life that don't apply to the game (and vice versa).Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
Take the chocobo leveling onion. It used to sell for 100-150k or so when i left the game. Now it is well over 600k (it was 1 mil when I got back right after Shb release but has gone down and then back up to ~800k). The only reason for this price difference would be the MBs are now linked. So why should I, someone that doesn't craft anything and doesn't do a lot of game economy stuff pay for lower pop servers greed?
I don't make all that much gil per week so why should I have to pay ~600% higher prices for things?
My end point is they should have never went through with this with you only able to buy. Make it a totally linked market (or at least have the ability to sell on any server you want). -
07-19-2019, 07:48 PMHash_Browns
No thanks I prefer being about to buy items on other servers MB when mine either doesn't have any, or has 1 to 2 for 1,000s more.
No. This price difference happened because of ShB. People want to level their chocobos again. Demand outweighed the small supply. Also, BLU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azureskies
Onions take 10 days to grow each, and the seeds are just as expensive as the onions. Meaning the only way people are going to grow them is to cross-breed with +60k seeds themselves. So 15 days, and constantly watching a garden, as well as owning a house.
This isn't because of the MB update. It's because people want the item. If the MB wasn't cross-server, they would have easily reached over 1mil gil.