Disappointment of Shoha/Feedback. Samurai Lv80 Skill.

Seems really bizzare...

SE:

Lets give Samurai a wierd 500 potency combo off a niche skill that can only be used once per minute and only during downtime in boss fights.

Also SE:

Lets give Samurai a 1200 potency Midare (After a 1200 potency Midare)/1250 potency oGCD

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Like... ShB is taking SAM from having 1 awkward and oddly designed skill (Seigan) to having 3 awkard and oddly designed skills (Seigan, Shoha and Kaeshi: Hinganbana)

I don't understand...

Personally, I back the idea of having Seigan removed from Open Eyes (Also at the same time, just have Open Eyes activate Merciful Eyes when proc'd without needing to press another button) and providing the stacks for Shoha. Just to give Seigan some semblence of purpose given how very minor of a damage per Kenki gain it is over Shinten as well as making Shoha not stupid af in design...

Something like Seigan simply having a CD (Like 12 or 15?) and being an alternate spender for Kenki that's slightly more efficient then Shinten but then gives Shoha stacks. Also, Shoha should be buffed to AT LEAST 1000 potency given that it seems to be a standard for SAM's big infrequent skills (Like Senei, Midare Setsugekka and Tsubame-gaeshi)

Which would then just leave Kaeshi: Hinganbana the last remaining "WTF?" skill... But I haven't a clue on how to fix that one without simply letting both DoTs stack (Which would mean it would simply supercede Kaeshi: Setsugekka outside low health targets that wouldn't live its full duration)

What if Shoa had a fixed potency, but you still triggered Meditate to use it, BUT, for each hit the skill deals, since the animation has it slashing multiple times for probably 1 hit of damage, you got kenki for each hit in the animation of the attack?

Talking about it's potency is a waste of time when we know a lot of the potency numbers at the moment aren't final.

Mechanically, I think it's more than fine. It's a reward for positioning optimally during boss downtime which adds a little extra height to the skill ceiling for the job.

I'm amazed at the amount of people that have already played the expansion and tested things out enough to say with certainty that they're bad, at least according to how adamant they are.

I think everyone is missing the point, you no longer can convert into Kenki so now mediate is the only way other than skills to generate it. You will have to use it, it cuts back on your dps and that's intentional I imagine.

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Originally Posted by Colino

I'm amazed at the amount of people that have already played the expansion and tested things out enough to say with certainty that they're bad, at least according to how adamant they are.

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People are allowed to give their opinion and speculate. This is a lot of gut reactions and its fine. Most of the people here have valid complaints, go look at reddit and look at the salty AST and SCH players, then come back to this thread. You need to calm down.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

I think everyone is missing the point, you no longer can convert into Kenki so now mediate is the only way other than skills to generate it. You will have to use it, it cuts back on your dps and that's intentional I imagine.

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You don't need to convert sen into Kenki because Ikishoten exists now and just gives a flat 50 kenki every 60 seconds. That's almost as much as converting all 3 sens into Kenki. Whether intentional or not, it looks bad and might feel just as bad. Like many has said this ability looks like a niche ability, and to some people that's fine. But as a level 80 ability it just seems so underwhelming compared to most other jobs.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

People are allowed to give their opinion and speculate. This is a lot of gut reactions and its fine. Most of the people here have valid complaints, go look at reddit and look at the salty AST and SCH players, then come back to this thread. You need to calm down.

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Oh trust me, I've seen then subreddit, we have those AST threads here too! It doesn't upset or irk me, I just find it entertaining. We have all been through this before right?

I never implied people can't give their opinion and speculate, that's the most fun part of pre-release! What isn't fun is seeing someone having a genuine meltdown over something they haven't had a full experience of yet. I just can't imagine being that upset at something before I even try it.

Potency wise this would be a great level 80 ability, in an ideal world. I think overall it is a really cool skill, just way too niche to be satisfying or something you really want to pull off (but then again we've had very disappointing max level skills before too).

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Originally Posted by Colino

Oh trust me, I've seen then subreddit, we have those AST threads here too! It doesn't upset or irk me, I just find it entertaining. We have all been through this before right?

I never implied people can't give their opinion and speculate, that's the most fun part of pre-release! What isn't fun is seeing someone having a genuine meltdown over something they haven't had a full experience of yet. I just can't imagine being that upset at something before I even try it.

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I didn't see anyone having a complete meltdown. Maybe our definitions of meltdown are different. What i picture is someone screaming about how the high sky is falling. But the OP gave a valid complaint listing examples of fights to show where the ability might be used or useful. I think overall as complaint threads go this one is very tamed. And maybe i'm bit biased because i do main Sam even though i play everything.

Also maybe my initial response at the end was a bit much, sometimes how something is said isn't translated properly via text.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

I didn't see anyone having a complete meltdown. Maybe our definitions of meltdown are different. What i picture is someone screaming about how the high sky is falling. But the OP gave a valid complaint listing examples of fights to show where the ability might be used or useful. I think overall as complaint threads go this one is very tamed. And maybe i'm bit biased because i do main Sam even though i play everything.

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Yeah, you're right actually. I may have been melding this thread mentally with another thread, considering how many proper moan-fests I've read through today (some of them really fun mind you!).

I mained Bard since they existed in 1.x (1.20 I think? Too lazy look it up) until SB release, when I switched to SAM, so you can imagine how excited I was for that job. I still love it and I think giving meditate a "function" is neat no matter how they pull it off. I think the main problem with this skill is the level you unlock it at, more than any issue with the skill itself.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

I think everyone is missing the point, you no longer can convert into Kenki so now mediate is the only way other than skills to generate it. You will have to use it, it cuts back on your dps and that's intentional I imagine.

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Umm....this skill has nothing to do with not being about to eat your sen? I assume that's what you mean. If you're talking about we have no skill to give us kenki, haga got changed into Ikishoten which gives us 50 kenki.

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Originally Posted by Mikal-

Mechanically, I think it's more than fine. It's a reward for positioning optimally during boss downtime which adds a little extra height to the skill ceiling for the job.

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Mechnaically its not fine at all, even if the potency was good or decent, its pretty much a dead skill on any fight with no downtime. If the first tick potency was 400 THEN it would be fine actually(With just potency) because you'll be able to fish for it between GCD; assuming meditate gives you a tick, because if you didn't know. Its by server tick and you know what that means? sometimes you won't even get 5 ticks, yes. It has happened to me before.

This doesn't reward for skill at all, its just a silly idea to probably not just make it a basic oGCD.
Haga was the skill that added any skill ceiling to samurai and now that's gone, this job is pretty much even more easy as there is no excuse to not use Ikishoten.