Bring back the old sub job system.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

Except that's wrong. FFXIV never had a sub-job system. It had a cross-class system. If they sound different, it's better to assume they ARE different than to assume that the original poster doesn't know what they are talking about.

Um, you do realize by putting it in quotations, I'm merely referencing the terminology the OP used, yes? No different than when someone calls raiders "toxic elitists," I'll relay that reference back to them despite knowing full well most raiders aren't. My subsequent response came after the OP became annoyed at another poster when her own phasing is what caused the confusion. Regardless, I do find it a bit... well, amusing you're nitpicking my post and assuming laziness yet went ahead and made assumptions yourself. You probably shouldn't have bothered, indeed.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

The built in macro's are unusable for casters since the GCD can be variable but the macro doesn't deal with variable timing.

The built-in macros are unusuable for anyone in nearly all cases because the developers don't really want them to be used. They cannot be queued, they are strictly time-based in a game with variable times as you said, they are even often unresponsive due to the ridiculous amount of system checks. Heck. Even the stupid error message that cannot be turned off as far as I know makes it worthless. If I want to put Heal and Stone under one macro to use one button for the basic actions in a combat, I'll have a big-ass, red message plastered in the middle of my screen for no reason whatsoever. That completely defeats the purpose of a macro.

And I said as much. If the macro was made properly, it would become useful and would save space. As it is, it's just dead for most uses. The only uses I found that work for me are to drop ground-targeted AoE's quickly, to control the summon and to make a message while using some of the situational skills, like Limit Break or Resurrection.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

If you present an idea, you do so clearly. Not vaguely. You don't blame the audience for not understanding when you didn't even bother to clarify or elaborate. But that's just my opinion.

I agree with this. However, this is besides the point actually. If you'll read my post you'll notice that I said as much and that the only reason I wrote what I wrote is because of how Bourne_Endeavor responded to her making clarification in another post.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Except the title of the thread is "Bring back the old sub job system", insinuating the cross-class system FFXIV used to have as it's never had any other variant of a similar system. Aside from this being the FFXIV forums, and systems are called various things by various other people, correct name or not. As I said, not everyone has experience with FFV or FFTactics, so they infer the OP is talking about the cross-class system since no specification was given.

And as I said. You don't need to know about old final fantasy titles to realize that the term is unfamiliar to you. If it is unfamiliar with you, it's entirely possible to say things like "Do you mean the cross-class system? If yes..." or "What do you mean by the sub-class system?". Even if you'll assume and just start talking about the cross-class system, that doesn't mean that when the original poster finally decides to clarify you have to go hostile.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Um, you do realize by putting it in quotations, I'm merely referencing the terminology the OP used, yes?

And?! It's irrelevant. Not only is it wrong, because the terminology the OP used is not incorrect (ironically, if you assume cross-class system being a form of sub-class system...you would still be wrong in assuming it seeing as it is the NEW version...role skills are not in any way, shape or form a sub-class system), but also because that's not the part of your post I had a problem with.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

My subsequent response came after the OP became annoyed at another poster when her own phasing is what caused the confusion.

As far as I can see, the original poster simply clarified what she meant after seeing the person misunderstanding her original post. Not everyone that corrects others is automatically annoyed by that.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Regardless, I do find it a bit... well, amusing you're nitpicking my post and assuming laziness yet went ahead and made assumptions yourself. You probably shouldn't have bothered, indeed.

There was one "assumption" I made. That you were "hostile" in your response with the first phrase. However, the assumption there comes from me not knowing your intentions, as the wording itself is rather hostile. Not offensive, mind you. But hostile. It's the same wording one would use to scold another for doing something wrong.

I enjoyed the way it was. It gave you a great incentive to try other classes, often surprising yourself with the interest of playing something you werent going to play.
For alts though it should remain as is.